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Old 08-05-2008, 04:46 PM   #226
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In this forum, it seems that 75-80 % do not take completely objective views at how these things are playing out.
Would you include yourself in that group?

I remember you were quite quick to jump all over Obama for cancelling the troops visit, then it turned out to be a big, fat McCain lie. So I'm not sure that you're countering subjectivity from anywhere objective to be honest.
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Old 08-05-2008, 04:49 PM   #227
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wow,
a lot of effort
to target lard ass, lazy bigots
I guess they need that extra motivation
to lick a stamp for a mail in ballot, too


whatever works.

like this:
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Paris Hilton Responds to McCain Ad from Paris Hilton, Chris Henchy, and Adam "Ghost Panther" McKay
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Old 08-05-2008, 07:17 PM   #229
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22% think McCain's "celebrity" ad was racist. 53% think Obama's stupid "dollar bill" remarks were racist.
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22% think McCain's "celebrity" ad was racist. 53% think Obama's stupid "dollar bill" remarks were racist.
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Old 08-05-2008, 08:04 PM   #231
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Rasmussen Reports: The most comprehensive public opinion coverage ever provided for a presidential election.
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Rather unsurprising, given that Obama's comment directly addressed race whereas any invoking of it by the McCain ad was indirect.
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Yeah, I have a hard time taking a poll seriously when the website is flooded with Republican ads(two McCain ads and Newt newsletter ad) and an 'Obama Exposed' advertisement.

Personally I don't think the ad was racist. Childish? Yes Racist? No

I also don't Obama's comment was racist. But it shouldn't have been made in the context of McCain and Bush, are others on the right saying it? Yes, naming names was wrong.
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I also don't Obama's comment was racist. But it shouldn't have been made in the context of McCain and Bush, are others on the right saying it? Yes, naming names was wrong.
I agree
I don't think it was racist either

but it did involve race
and one could call it using the 'race card' for advantage
as silly as that sounds ( I guess that is why people would lump it in the racist category)

most people think the race card is only played against minorities


and went the 'so called' race card is played for advantage
it does not get me too riled up

(as when Obama said , they are going to tell you to be afraid of me, they are going to say, He's black)

because there are probably 100+ times it has been played the other way
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The biggest problem I had with that comment was a strategic one--it's almost always a bad idea to level allegations of prejudice against an opponent in a way that implicates your audience in the scenario.
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I'd predict more backlash from the accusations over that Paris Hilton ad being subversively racist, from moderate undecided white folks, than outrage of some kind about it actually being racist.

So, no matter what the intentions were it's a losing issue for Obama.

He needs to avoid causing resentment about race at all costs.

What would be the purpose anyways?
The purpose of the Harold Ford ad was to get the Bubbas to 'come back home'. Obama ain't gonna win many of those minds, ever.

Did anyone see the columnist who mentioned the 'phallic' symbols in the ad?
Among the most absurd things I've ever read or seen (actually I saw the columnist on TV and they had excerpts).

If it takes the intellectuals to arduously point out all the symbolism, then what kind of person who is considering Obama is going to say to themselves "That black boy is after our white women!!!" And who among these supposed intellectuals is going to argue that a person like that would ever consider voting for Obama in the first place.
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More maverickism from McCain. Here.

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HUNTINGTON, W. Va - Republican John McCain appeared to back down on Tuesday in his dispute with his opponent Barack Obama over tire pressure.

Last week in St. Louis, Obama told an audience that steps such as inflating tires to the correct levels could make a difference when it comes to conserving fuel.

Cue gleeful mockery from McCain. Obama was naive, inexperienced and not talking straight to the American people about energy, he said.

His campaign went further, distributing to reporters tire gauges engraved with the words “Obama’s energy plan.”


Predictably, Obama hit back calling McCain’s mockery “ignorant,” arguing his plans were being misrepresented and saying that experts backed his call over tire pressure. Equally predictably, McCain’s camp hit back.
This is what Obama said, and it's truly about time somebody articulated the GOP's pride in being ignorant:

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"So I told them something simple," Obama said. "I said, 'You know what? You can inflate your tires to the proper levels and that if everybody in America inflated their tires to the proper level, we would actually probably save more oil than all the oil we'd get from John McCain drilling right below his feet there, or wherever he was going to drill.'"...
"So now the Republicans are going around -- this is the kind of thing they do. I don't understand it! They're going around, they're sending like little tire gauges, making fun of this idea as if this is 'Barack Obama's energy plan.'

"Now two points, one, they know they're lying about what my energy plan is, but the other thing is they're making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant."
Well, then turns out McCain realized he was wrong. Again.

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The surprise came during a telephone town hall meeting McCain held on Tuesday with voters in Pennsylvania.

“Obama said a couple of days ago says we all should inflate our tires. I don’t disagree with that. The American Automobile Association strongly recommends it,” McCain said.
But hey, I guess handing out tire gauges is productive. It's what the voter wants to see. Purple band-aids, anyone?
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It's like these guys take pride in being ignorant.
I've been saying this for years.
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If it takes the intellectuals to arduously point out all the symbolism, then what kind of person who is considering Obama is going to say to themselves "That black boy is after our white women!!!" And who among these supposed intellectuals is going to argue that a person like that would ever consider voting for Obama in the first place.

it's all subliminal. it's highly calculated, and intentionally subliminal.

lots of thought goes into these things.
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