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Old 08-05-2008, 03:34 PM   #211
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You could suspect both 'messages' of carrying sexist overtones without being unreasonable, though I think it's harder to argue against that perception in the case of the McCain ad. Paris Hilton=Tiresomely Omnipresent is a less loaded association than Hilton/Spears=Wanton, Incompetent Basket Case.

I don't see the racial analogy you're suggesting at all.
My analogy was only in response to Irvine's
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a clean, articulate black man to sexually available white women
I don't believe McCain's ad was either
it is just referring to people that are celebrities
people that are famous or popular without a lot of accomplishments.

Obama has remarked similarly about himself.
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i can think of more famous people than Britney or Paris, and people who are more current than Britney or Paris.

but they're not skinny white blond women who appear to have little between their heads.

ask yourself about that Harold Ford Jr. attack ad.
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it is just referring to people that are celebrities
people that are famous or popular without a lot of accomplishments.

Obama has remarked similarly about himself.
I don't know about the Harold Ford thing, but this is really silly. Britney and Paris have virtually no accomplishments. You may think that Obama is not ready to be President, but he has accomplished more in his life than most people we know. I don't recall him ever saying that he hasn't accomplished things in life.

The ad made McCain look like a fool. When Kathy Hilton is lecturing you on being frivolous, the bottom has really been scraped. But I guess when you max out in donations to McCain, you can have him $hit on your kids too.
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i can think of more famous people than Britney or Paris, and people who are more current than Britney or Paris.

but they're not skinny white blond women who appear to have little between their heads.

ask yourself about that Harold Ford Jr. attack ad.
Exactly... 'famous and popular without a lot of accomplishments' is certainly the obvious surface message and the main one, but you can't evaluate what subtexts might or might not be present without getting into questions of why these particular choices and not whichever other ones.
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ask yourself about that Harold Ford Jr. attack ad.

I thought that ad was crap, and it may have turned the election in Tenn.

Ford seemed to be a rising, capable politician.

And let's not kid ourselves, Tenn is a RED state, in the South.


but the Ford ad and the Obama ad are quite different.
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i can think of more famous people than Britney or Paris, and people who are more current than Britney or Paris.

but they're not skinny white blond women who appear to have little between their heads.

First thing we all have to admit

is that Obama was first to reference himself compared to Paris Hilton. check


second thing
is that Britney is getting a bum rap from all you Obama supporters check

she has quite a list of accomplisments


Grammy Awards

2000 Herself (Britney Spears) Best New Artist Nominated
"…Baby One More Time" Best Female Pop Vocal Performance Nominated

2001 "Oops!…I Did It Again" Best Female Pop Vocal Performance Nominated
Oops!…I Did It Again Best Pop Album Nominated

2003 "Overprotected" Best Female Pop Vocal Performance Nominated
Britney Best Pop Album Nominated

2005 "Toxic" Best Dance Recording Won

[edit] 1999

Awards in the year: 40

* AOL Awards
o Best New Artist
* Billboard Awards
o Female Artist of the Year
o Albums Artist of the Year
o Singles Artist Of The Year
o Best New Artist
* Bravo Gold Awardss
o Best International Female Vocalist


* Capital FM London Awards
o London’s Favourite International Female Artist
* Europe Awards
o Most Fanciable Female
o Best Dancer
o Best Female Hair
* Gold Disc Awards
o Best International New Artist
* Golden Bravo Otto Awards
o Best Liked Artist of 1999
* Hollywood Reporter
o Best female Artist
o New Artist of 1999
* France Mellier M6 Awards
o Best Video for "...Baby One More Time"
* MTV Europe Music Awards'
o Best Song for "...Baby One More Time"
o Best Pop Act
o Best Female Solo Artist
o Best Breakthrough Act
* Much Music Awards
o Best International Artist
* Music Week Awards
o Highest Selling Singles Artist in the UK for "...Baby One More Time"
* Premios Amigos (Spain)
o Best International Artist
* Popcorn Awards
o Best International Artist
* Austria Rennbarn Express Awards
o Best New Artist
* Rockbear Awards from Aftonbladett (Sweden)
o Best New Artist
* Spanish Premios Amigo Awards
o Best International Female
* Smash Hits Poll Winner
o Best Female Solo Artist
o Best Dressed Female
o Most Fanciable Female
o Best Dancer
o Best Female Hair
* Teen Choice Awards
o Choice Single "...Baby One More Time"
* Holland TMF Awards
o Best Newcomer
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best New Artist - Baby One More Time (*tied wth Westlife)
o Best Female - Baby One More Time
o Best Pop Song - Baby One More Time
o Best Song - Baby One More Time (*tied with Backstreet Boys' I Want It That Way)
o Best Dance - (You Drive Me) Crazy
o Best Video - Baby One More Time
o Trendsetter Of The Year (special award)

[edit] 2000

Awards in the year: 26

* American Music Awards
o Favorite Pop/Rock New Artist
* Billboard Awards
o Album Artist of 2000
o World-Record Breaker Of 2000 For "Oops!... I Did It Again"
* Germany Bravo Gold Awards
o Best International Female Vocalist
* Bravo Supershow Awards
o Best Female Artist
* UK Capital 95.8 FM London Awards
o Best International Female Artist
* Dansk Grammy Award
o Best International New Artist
* Canadian Juno Awards
o Best-Selling Album (...Baby One More Time)
* Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards
o Favourite Female Singer
* Europe NRJ Radio Awards
o Best International Female Artist
* People's Choice awards
o Best International Artist
* Smash Hits Poll Winners
o Best Dressed Female
o Best Female
o Best Female Haircut
o Best Dancer In Pop Music
o Most Fanciable Female
* Teen Choice Awards
o Choice Female Artist
o Choice Hottie Female
* TMF Music Awards
o Best Foreign Female
o Best Newcomer
* World Music Awards
o World's best selling Pop Female Artist
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Female - Oops..! I Did It Again
o Best Song - Oops..! I Did It Again **Best Pop Song - Oops..! I Did It Again
o Best Album - Oops..! I Did It Again
o Artist Of the Year
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2001

Awards in the year: 18

* Blockbuster Entertainment Awards
o Favorite Pop Female Artist
* Echo Awards (Germany)
o Best Female Artist
* J-14 Awards
o Best Tattoo
o Best Piercing
* Nickelodeon's Choice Awards
o Favorite Female Singer
* Rolling Stone Magazine Awards
o Artist of the Year
* Smash Hit Awards
o Best Female Artist
* Pepsi Awards
o Peoples Choice for Best Female
* Premios Mixup
o Favourite Female Artist
* Teen Choice Awards
o Choice Hottie Female
* VH1 Awards
o Best Bellybutton Appearance
* World Music Awards
o World's best-selling Pop Female Artist
o World's best-selling Dance Female Artist
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Female - Lucky
o Best Pop Song - Lucky
o Best Dance - Stronger
o Artist Of the Year
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2002

Awards in the year: 13

* Barbie Award
o Barbie Girl
* Cosmopolitan Magazine
o Fun, Fearless Female Of The Year
* 23rd Golden Raspberry Awards
o Worst Actress for Crossroads (tied with Madonna)
o Worst Original Song for "I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman"
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Female - I'm a Slave 4 U
o Best Dance - I'm a Slave 4 U
o Hottest Video - I'm a Slave 4 U (special award)
* MTV Asia Awards
o Best Female Artist
* Neil Bogart Memorial Fund
o Children's Choice Award
* Popstar Magazine
o Poptastic Female Singer
* Rolling Stone Magazine Award
o Best Dressed Female
o Best Female artist,
* Teen Choice Awards
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2003

Awards in the year: 11

* Hollywood Walk of Fame
o Recipient
* Hollywood Life Magazine
o The 10 Most Toned in a new Hollywood
* Japan Golden Disc Awards
o Best International New Artist
o Best International Music Video ("I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman")
* Glamour Magazine UK
o Woman Of The Year
* Golden Music Awards
o Best International Video for "I'm Not a Girl, Not Yet a Woman"
* Popstar Magazine
o Poptastic Female Singer
* TRL Awards
o First Lady Award
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Pop Song - I'm Not A Girl, Not Yet A Woman
o Best Dance - Overprotected
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2004

Awards in the year: 16

* Billboard Awards
o Best-selling Dance Single of the Year- Me Against the Music
* Brasil Music Award
o Best International Female Artist
* 25th Golden Raspberry Awards
o Worst Supporting Actress for Fahrenheit 9/11
* MTV Europe Music Awards
o Best Female Artist of the Year
* Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards
o Choice Song: Toxic
* Popstar Magazine
o Popastic Video Right Now (Toxic)
* Rockbear Awards
o Critics' Choice Best Video of the Year ("My Prerogative")
* Teen Choice Awards
o Choice Single ("Toxic")
* Holland TMF Awards
o Gridlock Award
* TRL Awards
o Gridlock Award
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Female Artist - Me Against The Music
o Best Dance - Me Against The Music
o Best Collaboration - Me Against The Music (with Madonna)
o Best Style in a Video - Me Against The Music (special award)
* Visual Effects Society
o Best Visual Effects in a Music Video - Toxic
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2005

Awards in the year: 14

* BMI Cable Awards
o Best Television Theme Song ("Follow Me" from Zoey 101)
* Golden Music Awards
o Music Video of the Year - Toxic
o Rock/Pop Album of the Year - ("Greatest Hits: My Prerogative")
* Groovevolt Awards
o Video of the Year: Toxic
o Best Female Album: In The Zone
o Best Song Performance by a Female Artist: Everytime
o Most Fashionable Artist
* Grammy Awards
o Best Dance Recording - Toxic
* Indonesia Magazine Music Awards
o Best Pop Song - Everytime
o Best Dance - Toxic
o Best Video - Everytime
o Artist Of the Year
o Hottest Female of the Year (special award)
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year

[edit] 2006

Awards in the year: 7

* Indonesian Magazine Music Awards
o Best Pop Song - Someday (I Will Understand)
o Best Unreleased Track/Song - I've Just Begun (Having My Fun)
* Vh1 Big In 06' Awards
o Big Mama
* Covina 06' Awards
o Best Female Artist
o Best Pop Song - Someday (I Will Understand)
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the year
* Israel Teen Choice Awards
o Best female singer

[edit] 2007

Awards in the year: 5

* Billboard Music Poll
o Best Album of 2007, "Blackout"
* Billboard Readers' Choice
o Album of the Year
* MTV & VH1 (U.S)
o Can't Hardly Wait for new Album
* Teen Choice Awards
o Newsmaker of The Year - Britney Spears Shaves Her Head
* Yahoo!
o Top Searched Artist of the Year

[edit] 2008

Awards in the year: 19

* Alfa Music Awards
o Best album - Blackout
* Apelzin Awards
o BestPop Artist
* Cannes International Music Awards
o Best album of the year - Blackout
* Hit Music Awards
o Best International Album
o Best Song (Gimme More)
o Best International Female Artist
* Imperio Music Awards
o Best album - Blackout
o Return of the year - Britney Spears ( Gimme More )
o Best Female Video (Gimme More)
o Sexiest Video ( Gimme More )
* iTunes
o Best Pop Album of the Year
* NRJ Music Awards
o Best International Album - Blackout
* Yahoo! Music Award
o Best Female Artist
o Album Of The Year
o Song Of The Year (Piece Of Me)
* World Video Music Awards
o Best Álbum - Blackout
o Best Song Of Remixes - Gimme More
o Best Artist Female
o Best Álbum Female - Blackout
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^ Actually that's not inconsistent with what I was saying at all, and I'm not sure it's inconsistent with what Irvine was saying either.
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Ok we've jumped the shark. We did it in 2004 when people suddenly started researching 30 year old typewriters to see if Bush's TANG record was legit, now we're researching Britney Spears' accomplishments to see if she compares to Obama.

However I agree with your point deep that Britney actually has been a hard worker. Paris is the only one of the two who is famous merely for being famous.
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but the Ford ad and the Obama ad are quite different.

i agree that the Obama ad is far subtler than the Ford ad, which was quite brazen. but i think both are playing off the same below-the-surface fear held in many of these red states, fears written about in, say, To Kill A Mockingbird.

it's not so much that the ad is implying the subtext, like the Ford ad did, but that it is suggesting the subtext.

bottom line is this: in some parts of the country, juxtaposing images of a black man with images of young white women is going to set off certain knee-jerk reactions. for some, it's the unfounded fear of black men wanting to rape white women (one of the primary "motivations" over centuries of lynchings), or it might be the fear of a black man getting all "presumptuous" and luring white women away from other white men. and Rove knows this. and Rove will use this.
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bottom line is this: in some parts of the country, juxtaposing images of a black man with images of young white women is going to set off certain knee-jerk reactions. and Rove knows this. and Rove will use this.
I do get what you are saying here

but if seeing a black man with white women bugs you
then the odds are, you already were not going to vote for Obama
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However I agree with your point deep that Britney actually has been a hard worker. Paris is the only one of the two who is famous merely for being famous.
She attends parties on a nearly nightly basis for a fee. That's hard work. You try staying up until 5 am every night.

Does she also make handbags or is that just the sister?

I find it odd that deep is so willing to jump on just about everything he considers to be a flaw of Obama's but is going to great lengths to defend McCain about an ad that most Republican pundits denounced.
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I find it odd that deep is so willing to jump on just about everything he considers to be a flaw of Obama's but is going to great lengths to defend McCain about an ad that most Republican pundits denounced.
In this forum, it seems that 75-80 % do not take completely objective views at how these things are playing out.

I suppose if I spent time on a "right" leaning forum
I would be countering flawed Obama critiques
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I do get what you are saying here

but if seeing a black man with white women bugs you
then the odds are, you already were not going to vote for Obama


but this might get you to get off your duff and vote for the other guy, not the uppity nigra.
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but this might get you to get off your duff and vote for the other guy, not the uppity nigra.
wow,
a lot of effort
to target lard ass, lazy bigots
I guess they need that extra motivation
to lick a stamp for a mail in ballot, too
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A work in progress

we still got that damn little Obama flag on the podium
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