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Old 08-01-2008, 09:08 PM   #151
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I have already conceded the election 'hands down" for Obama months ago > if we are talking about FYM posters' consensus
Interesting. I have never stated anything even remotely close to "Obama will win," hands down or not, nor have I invoked the FYM consensus as an argument for (or against) something.

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Are we having two conversations here?

one for a FYM consensus - see Diemen

and one about the broader electorate - see 2861U2
If by FYM consensus you mean taking into account nuance and shades of grey.

And if by broader electorate you mean the Religious Right.
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Interesting. I have never stated anything even remotely close to "Obama will win," hands down or not, nor have I invoked the FYM consensus as an argument for (or against) something.



If by FYM consensus you mean taking into account nuance and shades of grey.

And if by broader electorate you mean the Religious Right.

fair enough

I should have written that Obama is the best candidate and deserves support is the FYM consensus

the broader electorate?
that is up for grabs right now is the approximately 10% undecided (we have each candidate getting around 45% + or - a percent or two)
I don't believe, for the most part, they are extreme right or extreme left.
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Protesters Interrupt Obama Speech “Barack Obama, what are you going to do for the black community?”

Amy Chozick reports from St. Petersburg, Fla., on the presidential race.

Barack Obama’s town hall meeting Friday on the economy was interrupted by protesters. Three African-American men stood up holding a banner that read: “Barack Obama, what are you going to do for the black community?”


Barack Obama faced protesters during a town hall meeting in St. Petersburg, Fla. on Friday (AP)

The crowd tried to drown them out with chants of “Yes we can!” But the three protesters just stood there.

“It’s okay, you can ask a question later,” Obama said to the men.

“Yeah, that’s right,” they said. And Obama went back to delivering his speech on the economy.

UPDATE: The main protester got to ask the first question. He cited the way blacks were treated in post-Katrina New Orleans and other current events. “In the face of the numerous attacks that are made by the black community by the same U.S. government, the same government you want to be…Why is it you haven’t not one time spoken in the interests or even on behalf of the oppressed and exploited African community, the black community?”

The man was booed but Obama tried to silence the crowd. “This is democracy at work. He asked a legitimate question.”

“I think you’re misinformed when you say not one time. Every issue you’ve asked about, I have spoken about,” Obama said. “That doesn’t mean I’m going to always satisfy the way you want these issues framed. It gives you the option of voting for someone else. It gives you the option of running for office yourself. But the one thing that I think is important is that we are respectful towards each other and what is true is that I believe…the only way we’re going to solve our problems is that everyone comes together, black white.”

I think Obama handled this situation very well.


The campaign seems to be pretty nimble these days.


One thing I really think they should do is kill all those silly O flags.

They have the teen-age vote tied up.

Those things are silly, most likely the same graphic artist the created the fake Presidential Seal did them.

We are not looking for someone to re-brand America.

We have a pretty good brand.

We just need a new person the to represent the brand.
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I don't believe, for the most part, they are extreme right or extreme left.
I don't believe they are, either. But you refererred to 2861 as speaking about the broader electorate, while I think he's speaking more about the religious right.
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I don't read every single word of every post.

I just read what he wrote about McCain picking up a few points in the polls.

And I don't think Obama sharing with the public his personal respect for Ludacris is the best way to win the election. Obama has the youth vote tied up, the black vote tied up. Does he have to prove he is with it?

Now McCain is charging hard telling us he is an ABBA fan. I am sure that will erode into Obama's youth and Black support.
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I don't believe they are, either. But you refererred to 2861 as speaking about the broader electorate, while I think he's speaking more about the religious right.
How am I speaking about the religious right? Are you referring to the following, which deep quoted?

"Obama spent last week traveling the world meeting foreign leaders, and McCain spent last week at a sausage restaurant and a supermarket. And you know what? The polls are closer than ever. Gallup is at 45-44, McCain has made big leads in swing states, and Obama's numbers have been falling while McCain's have been rising."

The broader electorate hasn't bought what they see in Obama yet. Apparently his trip overseas (which I think was far less successful than the media will tell you) did basically nothing as far as shoring up votes among middle America. We all know the polls are going to get tighter as the election nears, but you would think after the vastly different weeks the two candidates had, the polls would be easily in Obama's favor right now. The RCP average is the lowest (in Obama's favor) that I have seen in a long time. One poll this week had McCain up 4, and the latest Gallup is even at 44.
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Now McCain is charging hard telling us he is an ABBA fan. I am sure that will erode into Obama's youth and Black support.


I think for the most part the broader electorate isn't paying too much attention to either candidate at this point. Hence why McCain can have a dubious week at home and Obama a successful week abroad and there not be any major swings in the polls.
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Wow, perhaps Obama is reading my posts.

I am getting a little whip lash

it looks like he is flipping (as I suggested)

and not flopping
I guess he realized that inflating your tires and getting regular tune-ups won't exactly suffice.
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So we can add one more to the list.

He's going to convert us to Muslim, force his black agenda, make us socialist, oh and now make us all lose weight...

add another .. Plagiarising Bono..

http://www.herald.ie:80/world-news/probono-1444653.html

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Rush Limbaugh, a high-profile right-wing radio presenter in the US, compared audio from Obama’s recent Berlin speech and a 2005 ‘Live 8’ speech given by the Irish rock band’s mouthpiece.
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“This is our moment. This is our time. This is our chance. To stand up for what’s right. We’re not looking for charity. We’re lookin’ for justice!”

On a European tour, Obama addressed a cheering crowd in Berlin: “People of Berlin! People of the world! This is our moment. This is our time.”

”There you have it, ladies and gentlemen, Obama plagiarising Bono,” DJ Limbaugh said.

The accusation comes just as the McCain camp is going more on the offensive – and invoking celebritynames to damage Obama.
So, what's wrong with quoting someone who's right
"They" are" running scared.
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This may put Hannity and Beck out of job, what will they bitch about? They spend almost 18 hours a week talking about off shore drilling.
So talking about how Americans are hurting at the pump and how we need to be drilling is "bitching"? Or is it only "bitching" when it's from someone you disagree with?
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So talking about how Americans are hurting at the pump and how we need to be drilling is "bitching"? Or is it only "bitching" when it's from someone you disagree with?
No, it's bitching when it's been decades in the working and folks are talking about it now as if they've been talking about it for years.

There have been a lot of groups that you would call "liberals" that have been saying we have an energy problem mounting, and the right just laughed it off for decades. And I'll admit the left didn't do much either...

But we all knew this day was coming. And what is the right doing? Hey we have to keep the status quo and keep doing what we're doing, drill more!!! I've even seen most of the radio folk go as far as say burning fossil fuels is not bad for the environment in any way. WTF?!

Just admit we've fucked up, place a band aid on, and while we have the band aid on find a cure.
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I guess he realized that inflating your tires and getting regular tune-ups won't exactly suffice.
What's funny is that not one of those folk realized that technically he's right, if we were all more responsible individually we wouldn't be here. Which if I'm not mistaken is a Republican motto... oh the irony.
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To be honest, both Obama and McCain are losing a lot of luster in my eyes. I just think it's sad how they've both--in different-ways sullied themselves in order to win this election. I guess this is what it takes to win these days. . .

And I can only blame them to a certain degree. We all share in the blame since we seem to continue to allow negative campaigning and trivialities to carry such weight.

sad.

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Regarding offshore drilling, I am so sick of politicians having to pander to stupid people. Any sentient being who has given this at least 30 seconds of thought realizes that offshore drilling will produce nothing for years and will not reduce our gas prices. At least McCain was honest when he said this was mostly "psychological" relief.

Instead they are pandering to idiotic low information voters who can't be bothered to engage their critical thinking skills for a moment. It's so infuriating.
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Regarding offshore drilling, I am so sick of politicians having to pander to stupid people. Any sentient being who has given this at least 30 seconds of thought realizes that offshore drilling will produce nothing for years and will not reduce our gas prices. At least McCain was honest when he said this was mostly "psychological" relief.

Instead they are pandering to idiotic low information voters who can't be bothered to engage their critical thinking skills for a moment. It's so infuriating.
yup,yup

Bush's last attempt to leave another gift for oil companies, drill wherever the hell you want to now, environment be damned. And people are agreeing with him. Disaster capitalism is alive and well.
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