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Old 11-01-2004, 10:15 AM   #16
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I love my country. It is the office of the Presidency that deserves respect and support. Whoever is the President will get nothing less from me.
I know being Prez is one job I could never handle. Props to whoever is willing to put their ass out there!
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I know being Prez is one job I could never handle. Props to whoever is willing to put their ass out there!
You don't want to age 15 years over 4?
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this seems like a very american ideal.
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:29 PM   #19
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I love my country. It is the office of the Presidency that deserves respect and support. Whoever is the President will get nothing less from me.
Unfortunately, the have lost this view of the office - it is now more about the person.

Our leaders deserve our support.

Our leaders need our prayers.

Our leaders need wisdom, which grows when we challenge them intelligently.
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Old 11-01-2004, 01:52 PM   #20
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Read the Subject of this post. It doesn't matter if it is your boss, your teacher or your coach. Give them support so we can move forward! The whole attitude of "I would never support George Bush because of this", or "I will never agree with anything John Kerry says bacause of that" is no way to get anything done.

Accept the results, move on and lets become one again.
Excellent post.......sadly from this thread you can see that it will not happen.
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Old 11-01-2004, 02:24 PM   #21
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I'm really concerned about the "divide" in the country now. You should see some of the notes I was getting on my listservers. I quit one because I was getting tired of Bush-bashing posts. OK, I'm not crazy about the guy's policies, but enough is enough. If Bush wins, he's got my prayers and best wishes, and I will be only too happy to bury the hatchet. What's to be accomplished with blind hatred and rage? Wake up, people, it's *our* country.
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As long as Democracy works there is nothing to worry about.

This means a legitimate winner in the election.
And the right for people to dissent as well, no matter who wins.

If the election goes awry, it could get real ugly.
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I'm really concerned about the "divide" in the country now. You should see some of the notes I was getting on my listservers. I quit one because I was getting tired of Bush-bashing posts. OK, I'm not crazy about the guy's policies, but enough is enough. If Bush wins, he's got my prayers and best wishes, and I will be only too happy to bury the hatchet. What's to be accomplished with blind hatred and rage? Wake up, people, it's *our* country.
Well, there were no wars and a good economy and the same thing was being done to Clinton. It's the nature of our system.
Giving the American people only two choices, in such a diversified nation is bound to create this friction. If Nader was anything other than a far left liberal, he might have more support. If Colin Powell, or someone moderate with credentials ever ran against the hierarchy of the two party system on a thrid ticket we might start to see change, but I would guess it won't happen. Too much power and money.

Let's just hope the election of either is legitimate. Sure, it doesn't mean that people will stop the bickering, but we don't need that.
We need people to speak out against our leaders. What we don't need is uneccessary radicals with "Bush is a Nazi" signs or whatever. Respect the democracy, that's what America is all about.
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The problem is that some people really do think Bush is a Nazi. I do not, but I can't do anything about these partisan zealots.
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Yeah, but there were people who hated Reagan with the passion of 1,000 fires. There were people who hated Carter, Clinton, Bush41 and so on. It's the extremists and every election cycle, you have the winning side talking about how the extremists want to ruin our country. And it never happens.

Again, the only thing that could cause us to divide in a manner that which America could really start to have major major problems is if people give up on the idea of our democracy. That is, mostly if Bush is elected under the same suspicious terms again. I wouldn't actively protest, because I don't believe either Bush or Kerry is a solution to our problems.

I think most people will accept if Bush is re-elected legitimately, I will. I think he has been an absolute failure, and I'm generally cosnervative on some issues, but if he's the choice of America, then so be it. But if it goes to litigation, it could be a really bad thing for America.

What would happen? I don't know. I think domestic terrorism is an actual threat, honestly. I saw it right here in my hometown 9 years ago.
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I know about the people who hated Reagan. I demonstrated against his administration. I supported Clinton, but alot of people did not. And then the controversy in 2000 wasn't really good for anyone because some people continued to claim that the Bush Administration wasn't legitimate. Partisanship is nothing new. We'll only be so united under optimal circumstances. The question is, can we get to optimal circumstances after all of the votes are cast and the ballots counted?
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