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Old 10-14-2013, 02:36 PM   #706
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You don't bite the hand that feeds you...
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Which is why the political atmosphere in this country is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. When you allow this kind of rhetoric to float around unchecked, no good can come of it.
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It also doesn't help that there are many Americans who agree with that lowlife.
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Old 10-14-2013, 04:09 PM   #709
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It also doesn't help that there are many Americans who agree with that lowlife.

Not that many though. The Tea Party is a minority within a minority. They are deeply unpopular, just noisy.

What I find interesting is their epistemic closure to any information that disagrees with their movement. We saw some of this with the "unskewed polls" in 2012 that predicted a Romney win. It reminds me of a religious fundamentalist mindset, only as applied to politics. The same mindset (and "proof" and "experts" and language about how knowledge is "intolerant") that enables people to believe the world is 4000 years old.
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I haven't read most of this thread, but it really sickens me when I see people post on Facebook that Obama is directly responsible for the shutdowns of things like memorials and national parks. And they blame Obama for the coming economic disaster if and when the debt ceiling isn't raised before default. Just absolutely disgusting.
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Which is why the political atmosphere in this country is going to get a lot worse before it gets better. When you allow this kind of rhetoric to float around unchecked, no good can come of it.

I dunno. Maybe this will snap the Republicans out of it, and they can get back to some kind of normalcy.
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Old 10-15-2013, 10:07 AM   #712
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I dunno. Maybe this will snap the Republicans out of it, and they can get back to some kind of normalcy.
Haven't we been saying that ever since they lost the last two presidential elections, Senate elections, and the popular vote (gerrymandering notwithstanding) in last year's House election?
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Perhaps we need to change the primary system - so that moderates can actually get past them.
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I don't think the primary system is the biggest culprit because it is very typical, not just in the US, but other democracies that primaries are typically attended by only the most fervent party faithful. Participation in free elections in many countries where voting isn't mandatory is at pretty low levels as it is, so participation in primaries is always going to be something that attracts a particular sort of person.

The two-party system in the US is what doesn't work. Yes, you can look at places like Italy and bemoan their almost constant elections and inefficiencies, but having a multi-party system gives more people a voice and also allows for practical deal-making to be made. People are forced to work with each other much more, and often end up in strange alliances where their ideologies may be 180 degrees apart.

Imagine how different the debt ceiling and CR debate would be today if the Tea Party was a separate faction?
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I don't see this shit ever ending. It will take one of the parties having a majority in senate and house to push anything through.

It's just so sad to see this country reduced to this crap over and over again
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It's just so sad to see this country reduced to this crap over and over again

it's part of the plan for economic sabotage on the part of the GOP.

these are not conservatives, these are radicals who are willing to wreck the global economy.
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also, it's been really awesome having family in town and NO open Smithsonians to take them to.

it's kind of shitty to have to tell a 10 year old that he can't go to the Air and Space Museum because Ted Cruz is an asshole.
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also, it's been really awesome having family in town and NO open Smithsonians to take them to.

it's kind of shitty to have to tell a 10 year old that he can't go to the Air and Space Museum because Ted Cruz is an asshole.
Somebody asked Newt Gingrich how foreign tourists feel and he said they're amazed by how free America is and how the government works in the context of that freedom. With an absolute straight face, lol.
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Somebody asked Newt Gingrich how foreign tourists feel and he said they're amazed by how free America is and how the government works in the context of that freedom. With an absolute straight face, lol.
I get a kick out of any American who boasts about how free this country is. I had no idea Canada, France, Germany, Norway and so many other countries are like North Korea.
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it's part of the plan for economic sabotage on the part of the GOP. these are not conservatives, these are radicals who are willing to wreck the global economy.
Agree. It's always been on GOP. Not that Dems are saints either, but when it comes to mass chaos regarding the country, it's on one party.

The GOP is tearing itself apart tho, so maybe some moderates can get the balls to step up and end it. Create a new party, even the left could do that. Split the fanatics on both sides.
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