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Old 10-04-2013, 04:44 PM   #541
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If we continue on this path you will be living from crisis to crisis in your country. There has to be some certainty in the markets for the economy to function efficiently.


which is all part of the plan. do whatever it takes prevent a real economic recovery so Obama gets no credit. prolong pain, cheer for decline, so you can win the next election, not nationally, but locally, within your gerrymandered district.
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your gerrymandered district.
You must know that both parties do this. Please admit that much.
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The federal government is paying for it, Nathan.
Read the article again, Irvine. The states are expected to pick up 10% of the costs in three years, and even proponents of the law admit that's too much for poor rural states to afford.

The cost of healthcare is the problem, and no one is doing anything about it.
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Read the article again, Irvine. The states are expected to pick up 10% of the costs in three years, and even proponents of the law admit that's too much for poor rural states to afford.

The cost of healthcare is the problem, and no one is doing anything about it.


i think you should read with a little more attention to detail.

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The federal government will pay for the expansion through 2016 and no less than 90 percent of costs in later years.
perhaps some states are going to have to reshift priorities and potentially raise taxes a small amount in order to pay for the poorest to receive some health care. a burden? possibly. more likely the black/white social divide exploited by politicians, meaning it's bullshit:

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“The irony is that these states that are rejecting Medicaid expansion — many of them Southern — are the very places where the concentration of poverty and lack of health insurance are the most acute,” said Dr. H. Jack Geiger, a founder of the community health center model. “It is their populations that have the highest burden of illness and costs to the entire health care system.”

The disproportionate impact on poor blacks introduces the prickly issue of race into the already politically charged atmosphere around the health care law. Race was rarely, if ever, mentioned in the state-level debates about the Medicaid expansion. But the issue courses just below the surface, civil rights leaders say, pointing to the pattern of exclusion.

Every state in the Deep South, with the exception of Arkansas, has rejected the expansion. Opponents of the expansion say they are against it on exclusively economic grounds, and that the demographics of the South — with its large share of poor blacks — make it easy to say race is an issue when it is not.

In Mississippi, Republican leaders note that a large share of people in the state are on Medicaid already, and that, with an expansion, about a third of the state would have been insured through the program. Even supporters of the health law say that eventually covering 10 percent of that cost would have been onerous for a predominantly rural state with a modest tax base.

“Any additional cost in Medicaid is going to be too much,” said State Senator Chris McDaniel, a Republican, who opposes expansion.

our system of private, employer-based insurance has given us the most expensive health care in the world. the ACA is an attempt to control those costs, and you'll note that costs have started to slow. the real way to control costs is to move to a single-payer system.
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You must know that both parties do this. Please admit that much.

yes. i agree.
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So for the states that opted out, the Fed Govt pays for the (up to) 10%?
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So for the states that opted out, the Fed Govt pays for the (up to) 10%?
Until 2016. Until then, it is funded 100%. But they turned it down. Apparently because conservative states don't want poor people to have health care. I guess being sick provides an incentive to work.
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Until 2016. Until then, it is funded 100%. But they turned it down. Apparently because conservative states don't want poor people to have health care. I guess being sick provides an incentive to work.
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“Any additional cost in Medicaid is going to be too much,” said State Senator Chris McDaniel, a Republican, who opposes expansion.
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Even supporters of the health law say that eventually covering 10 percent of that cost would have been onerous for a predominantly rural state with a modest tax base.

“Any additional cost in Medicaid is going to be too much,” said State Senator Chris McDaniel, a Republican, who opposes expansion.
You've brought this quote up twice now, but I'm not sure it's as convincing as you'd hope. The first sentence sets up the expectation that a quote from a supporter would follow, and then they follow up with... a quote from an opponent of ACA.
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We didn't have Reagan.
As a one time supporter of Reagan, much of our current economic issues have their beginning with him (and expanded upon by each president since - including Obama).

One number that is shocking - and the Obama Administration must answer for - is the exponential growth in the gap between the wealthy and poor. What Reagan may have initiated, it seems (based on the numbers) Obama has perfected.

I would like to see a reasonable plan to close this gap - from either party.
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You've brought this quote up twice now, but I'm not sure it's as convincing as you'd hope. The first sentence sets up the expectation that a quote from a supporter would follow, and then they follow up with... a quote from an opponent of ACA.

Exactly. Truth suffers when the press worries about seeming balanced or fair. Sometimes, there aren't two sides.
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Thank God those poor black people in the poorest states have Republicans to fight on their behalf.
Thank God for the "voter fraud prevention" allowed now by the gutting of the Voting Rights Act.


By the same court that affirmed ACA, in case any Tea Party folks want to admit it.
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You must know that both parties do this. Please admit that much.
This is probably (almost certainly) true, but it's definitely benefiting the GOP more at the moment. There's a reason why the GOP was able to hold onto a House majority despite the fact that Democratic House candidates received more votes than Republican House candidates.
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This is probably (almost certainly) true, but it's definitely benefiting the GOP more at the moment. There's a reason why the GOP was able to hold onto a House majority despite the fact that Democratic House candidates received more votes than Republican House candidates.
The same argument was made against the Democrats in the 80's when I was taking Civics in High School. Until we can have a "neutral" party draw distinct lines (maybe software?) - this will be an issue both parties must contend with.
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By the same court that affirmed ACA, in case any Tea Party folks want to admit it.
The Supreme Courts only determines the Constitutionality of the law, they do not determine whether it's a "good idea."
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