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Old 10-03-2013, 11:49 AM   #406
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See guys, both parties do it.
You are correct, sir.

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Old 10-03-2013, 11:54 AM   #407
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What's really wrong about this whole shutdown is that the American people, and the tourists suffer in many ways - but Congress continues to get their paychecks. No wonder why Congress doesn't mind shutting down the government, no matter which party
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but Congress continues to get their paychecks.
Their paychecks pale in comparison to the money they make at speaking engagements and books while in office. However, the real money starts flowing once they leave office and their "friends" pay what was promised for supported legislation that made them all rich (or richer).
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Their paychecks pale in comparison to the money they make at speaking engagements and books while in office. However, the real money starts flowing once they leave office and their "friends" pay what was promised for supported legislation that made them all rich (or richer).
But they get paid even though thousands of Americans can't because Congress shut down the government. Where's the fairness in that?

We just got our pay stubs at work. Our taxes were taken out as usual, of course. But the joke of the day is how we can take a stand against part of our paycheck going to something that isn't really functioning now.
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I would likely vote if I thought it would make a difference or there was someone I believed could work to make things better. My vote does not make those that are elected not do their jobs. Individuals that did vote for representives expect those elected to do the peoples work.

I think the ACA is a good thing, not properly thought out, but it is what many Americans need. There is a difference though of having Health Insurance and getting the actual care needed. I feel that the increasing or unknown cost is a real problem.

Many of these problems could simply be solved with a real budget, not continuing resolutions. A proper budget with the funds to cover the ACA would mean that both sides would have to agree on cuts elsewhere. We can't continue to borrow and spend what we don't have.

This affects my family as well because my wife is federal, deemed essential and her salary is funded by ACA. The funding needs to be addressed, a budget put in place, cuts on spending put forth and limit our borrowing. Both parties representing the people have valid concerns on each side. Negotiation is necessary now and should be done by the leader or our country.

A lot of the problem still goes back to 9/11, Bush did what he thought he had to. War was not the answer, but Americans at the time felt it was. The attack on America worked. It crippled our economy, divided the nation and the people.

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A lot of the problem still goes back to 9/11, Bush did what he thought he had to. War was not the answer, but Americans at the time felt it was. The attack on America worked. It crippled our economy, divided the nation and the people.

This. I said the same thing once before. The terrorists did their job.
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From the archives of "you can't make this shit up":

GOP Congressman Makes Park Ranger Apologize for Shutdown

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In an astounding confrontation that took place yesterday at the World War II Memorial in DC, a Tea Party congressman from Texas appeared to blame the Park Service for denying veterans access to the facility — and then made a Park Ranger apologize for the shutdown. "How do you look at them and ... deny them access?" Rep. Randy Neugebauer asked the unidentified Ranger in an incredible exchange that was caught on camera by NBC Washington.

In fact, the Park Service has been invoking the First Amendment in order to allow vets into the memorial despite the shutdown making it illegal for the department to do so.

"It's difficult," the Ranger replied. "Well, it should be difficult," scorned the congressman. "It is difficult," the Ranger repeated. "I'm sorry, sir."

"The Park Service should be ashamed of themselves," said Neugebauer. "I'm not ashamed," the Ranger retorted.

"You should be," sneered Neugebauer.


The good news is that, despite the GOP's best efforts to divert blame to literally anybody else, most Americans know full well who's truly to blame.

A just-released CBS News poll found that 44% fault the Republicans for the shutdown, while 35% fault Obama and the Dems.

Meanwhile, a whopping 72% disapprove of holding the entire budget hostage over Obamacare, including nearly 50% of all Republicans surveyed.

The day before he was taped harassing a Park Ranger for doing her job, Neugebauer went on The Chad Hasty Show to state that he will keep the government shut down for "as long as it takes" to ensure that Obamacare is not funded, claiming it was the will of the American people.
NO, this simply is not an issue on "both sides".
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But they get paid even though thousands of Americans can't because Congress shut down the government. Where's the fairness in that?
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I'm not saying it's fair - I'm saying it wouldn't matter to them if they lost their paychecks.
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NO, this simply is not an issue on "both sides".
Of course it is. Polls only show how effective news/marketing/PR is performing.

Politicians are expected to play politics just like hockey players are expected to play hockey.

Hey - I'm all for another way of running the nation (maybe run it with software), but until then - I expect nothing more/less from these clowns - on all "sides."
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No, it really isn't. I'm so tired of the false equivalence.

Please find me 50 House members on the Democratic side that are akin to the Tea Party, both in terms of loudness, vulgarity, obstructionism and IMPACT. Really, go ahead.
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No, it really isn't. I'm so tired of the false equivalence.
Is "false equivalence" the term of the month or something?

In the end, you seem entrenched in your thought patterns so what's the use in going back and forth with specific examples that you will refute and then we go another round of examples that I will refute and so on so on...

If you think the Democrats are some noble angels that are untainted by the mire of politics - then I would tend to disagree with you.

None of these people care about you (or any of us peasants). They care about their careers, their immediate circle of friends and family (building up their wealth), and perhaps their "legacy" - you are only a means to achieving their goals. Nothing more.
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Also - did you not see the chart I posted? ^
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Austin Powers and the art of flip-flopping
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Is "false equivalence" the term of the month or something?

In the end, you seem entrenched in your thought patterns so what's the use in going back and forth with specific examples that you will refute and then we go another round of examples that I will refute and so on so on...

If you think the Democrats are some noble angels that are untainted by the mire of politics - then I would tend to disagree with you.

None of these people care about you (or any of us peasants). They care about their careers, their immediate circle of friends and family (building up their wealth), and perhaps their "legacy" - you are only a means to achieving their goals. Nothing more.
What are you talking about? Who called them untainted and angelic? This isn't just dodging the question, this is a strawman.

Maybe you keep hearing about false equivalences because you keep employing them.
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If you think the Democrats are some noble angels that are untainted by the mire of politics - then I would tend to disagree with you.
I think the Democrats are pathetic. I'm absolutely serious. Nowhere else in the world (yes I know the rest of us don't matter as we're not as free as ya'all) would they be considered a liberal party. I have very little idea of what they stand for and their leadership has been poor on a number of fronts over the last decade or so.

But the Tea Party behaviour is unprecedented and it is plain dishonest to suggest that there is the same sort of faction on the other side. It is NOT TRUE. Period, end of story.

Your chart isn't helpful at all because there is no context there. Yes, we can establish that previous shutdowns happened and that they were driven by both Parties. But without providing context for each particular situation it is precisely false equivalence.

That's like looking at WW2 and stating that all parties involved had started warfare in the past. So?
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