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Old 03-08-2013, 05:53 PM   #181
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Wasn't Nancy Pelsoi and the Democrats in charge of the House when the financial crisis and the recession hit in 2008? Oh right, it was all GWB's fault.

Again, talk to me in 2016.
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Wasn't Nancy Pelsoi and the Democrats in charge of the House when the financial crisis and the recession hit in 2008? Oh right, it was all GWB's fault.

Again, talk to me in 2016.


Who was in charge from 2001-2007?
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Old 03-08-2013, 06:39 PM   #183
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Who was in charge from 2001-2007?
What was the unemployment rate then?
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What was the unemployment rate then?

this is silly and you know it.
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It's all luck and you'd be foolish to take credit for or assign blame for any of it. It's the ultimate game of hot potato
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this is silly and you know it.


Of course you think it's silly because the Obama Administration promised that after their nearly trillion dollar stimulus the unemployment rate would drop down to 5.3% at the end of his first term. Today it is 7.7 far higher than 2001-2007

Jan 1, 2007 4.60%
Jan 1, 2006 4.70%
Jan 1, 2005 5.30%
Jan 1, 2004 5.70%
Jan 1, 2003 5.80%
Jan 1, 2002 5.70%
Jan 1, 2001 4.20%

This president makes a lot of promises.
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this is so disingenuous i'm not even going to bother to respond.

but keep it up -- worked wonders for you and Mittens.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:13 PM   #188
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Fine, I'll leave you with this.

Somehow GWB managed to keep the White House open for public tours despite being financially constrained by a budget 1 trillion dollars less then Barack Obama's 2013 budget.


Priorities I guess.
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Old 03-08-2013, 08:29 PM   #189
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There it is. Public tours. Check mate, Irvine. Diemen , please close this thread. Indy is victorious. Anything else would be completely superfluous and would diminish Indy's great achievement. Many thanks to all those who participated.

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That's nothing, Andrew Jackson managed to keep a giant block of cheese in the White House. Anyone was free to come and talk with him, but only if they could eat the whole block of cheese first.
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There it is. Public tours. Check mate, Irvine. Diemen , please close this thread. Indy is victorious. Anything else would be completely superfluous and would diminish Indy's great achievement. Many thanks to all those who participated.

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I wish INDY would come up with some original talking points for once. . .
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The GOP has been shattered and there no leader -a I'm quite happy for them to continue thinking that its June of 2009 and that we need to return to 1981.
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You hate my signature? Odd coming from someone named PhilsFan whose team has in its own logo the, wait for it... Liberty Bell (note the name).

In fact, how many buildings in Philadelphia have the name Liberty in them compared to Equality? You get the point. Now I'm more than happy to respond because your "hate" arises, I think, because we understand and strive for a different definition of equality.

Equality--as understood when the Liberty bell was still being rung--was that of a natural (or God given) right to live freely under self-government, to acquire and keep property (including wages) gained through one's own labor and enterprise and to be treated without prejudice before the law. That all men are created equal before the law and before God but that inequality is the natural state of man because each individual is born with unique talents and strengths and therefore some will prosper or succeed more than others. We have the right "to pursue happiness," not a right to happiness.

These are high ideals but we are mere men so grave injustices and base prejudices have, are and will always exist. The promise of the Constitution, the blindfolded Lady Justice and of natural law demands redress in these cases but when taken too far you have the equality of the Left.

The equality of the Left is not that of equality of opportunity but of equality of economic and social outcomes. The Left envisions an egalitarian society with an ever growing government leveling the playing field through "social justice" and redistribution schemes, i.e., authoritarian collectivism. This form of equality, over time, creates a culture of uniformity and dependence and crushes individual initiative, self-reliance, risk-taking and independence that can only thrive when men live free. Extreme example, North Korea. Now that's a country where equality reigns.

I should also note one way in which liberty or freedom is defined differently. The freedom of the founders was the "freedom from harassment." This is enumerated in the negative rights of the first ten amendments. The Left from FDR to present pushes "freedom from want" through the Welfare State. This was first enumerated in FDR's Second Bill of Rights if you doubt me.

In short, you can't be for; big government, a progressive tax-code, affirmative action, minimum and equal wage laws, quotas, positive rights, etc without realizing they come at a cost... that of liberty.
Ha! Nice crack (get it?) about the Phillies logo there!

These recent posts have been so awful I had to take a vacation. Hopefully I will be ready to respond soon.
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Whatever, Philsfan. Odd response coming from someone who was born in, wait for it.... Mount Sinai Hospital. You're such a hypocrite
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Old 03-24-2013, 06:02 PM   #195
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Hopefully I will be ready to respond soon.
When you get a chance I'd like your thoughts on this short story by Kurt Vonnegut. Takes all of 5 minutes to read.

Kurt Vonnegut Jr. - National Review Online

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The year was 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal before God and the law, they were equal every which way.
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