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Old 03-28-2008, 11:14 AM   #1
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ungrateful Condi vents at USA: you've got a "birth defect"

[q]Rice hits U.S. 'birth defect'

March 28, 2008

By Nicholas Kralev - Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice said yesterday that the United States still has trouble dealing with race because of a national "birth defect" that denied black Americans the opportunities given to whites at the country's very founding.

"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."

As a result, Miss Rice told editors and reporters at The Washington Times, "descendants of slaves did not get much of a head start, and I think you continue to see some of the effects of that."

"That particular birth defect makes it hard for us to confront it, hard for us to talk about it, and hard for us to realize that it has continuing relevance for who we are today," she said.

Race has become an issue in this year's presidential campaign, which prompted a much-discussed speech last week by Sen. Barack Obama, one of the two remaining contenders for the Democratic nomination.

Miss Rice declined to comment on the campaign, saying only that it was "important" that Mr. Obama "gave it for a whole host of reasons."

But she spoke forcefully on the subject, citing personal and family experience to illustrate "a paradox and contradiction in this country," which "we still haven't resolved."

On the one hand, she said, race in the U.S. "continues to have effects" on public discussions and "the deepest thoughts that people hold." On the other, "enormous progress" has been made, which allowed her to become the nation's chief diplomat.

"America doesn't have an easy time dealing with race," Miss Rice said, adding that members of her family have "endured terrible humiliations."

"What I would like understood as a black American is that black Americans loved and had faith in this country even when this country didn't love and have faith in them — and that's our legacy," she said.

Miss Rice also said that what "attracted" her to candidate George W. Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign was not foreign policy, but his "no child left behind" initiative, which she said gave equal opportunities to black and white students. [/q]




what an ungrateful, America-hating, black separatist leftist! the woman gets her education paid for, becomes a full professor at freaking Stanford, then is a National Security Adviser, and then she becomes Secretary of State, and she has the NERVE to complain about slavery? does Condi know that she was born after 1865!?!?! how can she continue to blame slavery for the black kids who play such loud music when they drive by and wear their pants too low and frighten me!?!?!?! Condi is living proof that there's no racism in America, and her continuous harping on the issue, her refusal to put the blame squarely on the shoulders of African-Americans who talk loud is evidence of her secret, deep-rooted socialism and desire to redistribute wealth in the form of just another hand out. you'd think she'd have learned something about people working hard and getting ahead with nothing more than the gumption to pull themselves up by the bootstraps (like the Bushes have done).

but i guess not. we the *real* birth defect in this country are people who want to blame everything on history and not take personal responsibility. history is just an excuse for people who don't want to work hard.

right?
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Condi is pro Affirmative Action


she does not want the "content of her character" to be all that is taken into consideration
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she does not want the "content of her character" to be all that is taken into consideration


clearly, she doesn't trust white Americans to judge her on the basis of her character only.

what a racist. she hates America.
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40 years after the Civil Rights Act was passed, no less.
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No, no, no, guys. If a Republican African American speaks, then he or she automatically speaks the truth. It's only the Democrats who hate America, silly. Ann Coulter says so, so it must be true.
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u guys are a riot.

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"Miss Rice also said that what "attracted" her to candidate George W. Bush during the 2000 presidential campaign was not foreign policy, but his "no child left behind" initiative, which she said gave equal opportunities to black and white students."


Clearly, that was a wise choice. It's worked out oh so well.
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"What I would like understood as a black American is that black Americans loved and had faith in this country even when this country didn't love and have faith in them—and that's our legacy," she said.
Regardless of who wrote it, that's a great observation.
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we call those core conservative principles.

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They also happened to be at the core of the Civil Rights Movement.
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Is this thread comparing Rice's comments to Senator Obama's mentor Rev. Wright?

I hope not.
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we call those core conservative principles.

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I want you to think really hard about this and explain this, because I can't think of one conservative principle that falls under that quote. In fact conservative principles have almost always been centered around status quo which is the opposite of having the country losing faith in that group.
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Is this thread comparing Rice's comments to Senator Obama's mentor Rev. Wright?

I hope not.


it's putting a spin on Rice's comments comparable to that which was put on Michelle Obama's comments, and demonstrating that, yes, Condi's comments and Obama's comments and, yes, Wright's comments all come from a historical place, and that the idea that history doesn't matter, that affirmative action doesn't matter, that there isn't an inherently racist power structure to the foundation of the US, is all a bunch of bunk.

the Wright thing has been blown way, way out of proportion, and Wright's comments have been taken far out of context. some of them remain indefensible, almost as indefensible as the ecstatically righteous denunciation by the right wing of these few youtube moments.
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I think there is a tendency (and not just among Americans either, because I think you encounter it in Canada with respect to First Nations Peoples) of those who aren't racists by any means to still feel that maybe enough time has passed by and well why can't they just get over it already? This is not an insidious type of racism, but it's an example of a certain lack of empathy with a group and certainly a lack of understanding of where they come from and what they've seen and experienced while growing up.
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I think there is a difference between constructive criticism and hate. As a white person, who would you like to have a dialogue with?

Dr. Rice? Constructive criticism I believe.

Senator Obama's mentor Dr. Wright? I think the independent voters will decide if his views are worth engaging.
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