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Old 03-31-2008, 10:03 PM   #61
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To be fair to diamond, he did say "some" and not most.
Some of us read what we want to see.



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My bad, I misread that one.
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Old 03-31-2008, 10:07 PM   #63
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My point in citing the Republicans in the civil rights movement of 64 is those that did that then (Republicans) are what represent the majority of the core beliefs of the GOP now, and the civil rights movement needed the help of those Republicans-and they received it because those Republicans "got it" in 1964.

Futhurmore, I will take the core beliefs of Condi and Colin over Jesse and Al.

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One of my favorite Republicans of all time.
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Martin Luther King, Jr. was a Republican. In that era, almost all black Americans were Republicans. Why? From its founding in 1854 as the anti-slavery party until today, the Republican Party has championed freedom and civil rights for blacks. The Democrat Party has been the party of the four S's: slavery, secession, segregation and now socialism.
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Where did you lift that quote, d?
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nice work eh.

sometimes i'm lazy.

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Then you have the crowd who claims Lincoln was probably gay based on a few letters being taken out of context.




there is ample evidence that go beyond letters that demonstrate that it is quite possible that Lincoln had loving, sexual relationships with men that, today, we would understand as gay.

do we know this for certain? no. is it a historically defensible theory? absolutely.
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My point in citing the Republicans in the civil rights movement of 64 is those that did that then (Republicans) are what represent the majority of the core beliefs of the GOP now, and the civil rights movement needed the help of those Republicans-and they received it because those Republicans "got it" in 1964.


it must be nice to walk through history and cherry pick the good parts and say that it's really representative of what you and your self-identified political party believe.

it's like when i used to think that everything that Bono said was dripping with brilliance and hidden meaning and he never wrote a bad lyric or said something silly or sang a bad song.

and then i went into 9th grade.
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there is ample evidence that go beyond letters that demonstrate that it is quite possible that Lincoln had loving, sexual relationships with men that, today, we would understand as gay.

do we know this for certain? no. is it a historically defensible theory? absolutely.
see.

cause he shared a bed which was common in those days.
i sure the fellas kept a sheet between them.

and because it later wrote the friend that he shared the bed with that he had 'brotherly love' and the gay lobbyists come out.

go after a real closet gay person like tom cruise, ok?

you're so 8th grade.

geez.

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do you really want to revisit that thread?
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Wright's approach leads and stokes the fires of racism and in my opinion puts us further back from common ground.

i do see what you are saying. i maintain that the essential message of all of them is the same, only there's an anger to Wright that i understand is unappealing to white americans.

i think Wright does himself a disservice by buying into conspiracy theories like AIDS and crack being designed to kill black people.

but i find such paranoia on equal footing with claims that hurricanes are sent by god to punish wicked people, that abortion caused 9-11, and creationism.

every then says, ah-ha, but Obama calls this man his mentor. therein lies the difference between this relationship and those of the Republican Party. but you'll seen no endorsement by Obama of such theories, yet three of the Republicans running for president proudly raised their hands saying they believed in creationism.

in fact, i find the theory that the levees were bombed as part of a larger gentrification plot more credible than creationism.
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do you really want to revisit that thread?
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i do see what you are saying. i maintain that the essential message of all of them is the same, only there's an anger to Wright that i understand is unappealing to white americans.

That's just what I was going to say.

One great unwritten rule for getting along in America today--if you're black, ESPECIALLY if you're a black man--you've got to be "nice."

I promise you there won't be many white fans of a black Rush Limbaugh (unless of course they are parroting the same views as Limbaugh)--which is what I gather this Rev. Wright may be like.
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good point.

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