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Old 03-31-2008, 12:51 AM   #31
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I think there is a distinct difference between Condi's presentation and the Rev.

He unfortunately in my opinion has a view of history not founded in fact or reality. And that makes him lose credibility with me. In his case, I would say yes, he is UNGRATEFUL. America has not nor will she ever be perfect. Yet, America is responsible for many of the things the good Rev. has been afforded.

I think in looking at Condi's approach, she is dead on. It does not appear to me that she has taken an approach that sugar coats the history, nor does she present it in a mannet that I would call her UNGRATEFUL. She presents a fact, that America has been dealing with the after effects of Slavery to this day. It was a birthdefect that the founding fathers were not capable of dealing with.

Not sure with the tone of the original post, or why this has to be a republican/democrat debate.

You may not like the messenger - but that does not negate the message.

In the reverands case - I am not sure I like the messanger because of the message.
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everyone does realize that this thread is really about spin?

that Wright, the Obamas, and Condi (and MLK and Powell) are all talking about the same thing, the only thing that differs is presentation. they're all saying that black people in the US have been screwed over since they got here, and it continues to this day, and simply because they are all immensely successful doesn't mean that there isn't racism, that they themselves didn't have to overcome obstacles that white people don't face, and that America has to deal with it's past.
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Apparently the message is easier to hear when it's toned down and delivered by a pretty accomplice.
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we call those core conservative principles.

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They also happened to be at the core of the Civil Rights Movement.
Psst...let me let you all in on a secret. The left and the right have more in common than they'd like to believe.
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Psst...let me let you all in on a secret. The left and the right have more in common than they'd like to believe.
Agreed; and I know that more Republicans than Democrats in that time period supported the Civil Rights Movement and were it not for Republicans it would not have passed -much to the chagrin and ignorance of the majority of the posters here.


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-much to the chagrin and ignorance of the majority of the posters here.
You may want to try and back up your blanket condemnations every once in awhile.
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Don't need to, prove me wrong if you wish.

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Don't need to, prove me wrong if you wish.

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and why do you think so many of these Southern Democrats -- i.e., Dixiecrats -- defected to the Republican Party *after* the Civil Rights Act was passed?
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and why do you think so many of these Southern Democrats -- i.e., Dixiecrats -- defected to the Republican Party *after* the Civil Rights Act was passed?
I've heard of this extrapolation before, it's tired and weak.

Republicans like Charleton Heston ( who Micheal Moore attempts to sabotage in one his recent tabloid attempts of theater) and George Romney fought the good fight back in the day and these are the Republicans that I align myself with along with the majority of the GOP today.

I promise you there are more racists Democrats who enjoy Jerry Springer than racists GOP.

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I've heard of this extrapolation before, it's tired and weak.


well, no, it's accurate, but since history goes against what you wish were true, go right ahead and continue to believe that the reason why the south isn't overwhelmingly republican to this day is exactly due to the realignment after the Civil Rights Act.

as LBJ said, of the Democrats, "we have just lost the south for a generation."

how right he was.

i'm sorry, i know it's hard to be wrong, but no judgments or hard feelings, k?
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Civil Rights Act of 1964
By party and region

Note : "Southern", as used in this section, refers to members of Congress from the eleven states that made up the Confederate States of America in the American Civil War. "Northern" refers to members from the other 39 states, regardless of the geographic location of those states.

The original House version:

* Southern Democrats: 7-87 (7%-93%)
* Southern Republicans: 0-10 (0%-100%)

* Northern Democrats: 145-9 (94%-6%)
* Northern Republicans: 138-24 (85%-15%)

The Senate version:

* Southern Democrats: 1-20 (5%-95%) (only Senator Ralph Yarborough of Texas voted in favor)
* Southern Republicans: 0-1 (0%-100%) (this was Senator John Tower of Texas)
* Northern Democrats: 45-1 (98%-2%) (only Senator Robert Byrd of West Virginia opposed the measure)
* Northern Republicans: 27-5 (84%-16%) (Senators Bourke Hickenlooper of Iowa, Barry Goldwater of Arizona, Edwin L. Mechem of New Mexico, Milward L. Simpson of Wyoming, and Norris H. Cotton of New Hampshire opposed the measure)

The Facts are these
if you were serving in the congress in 1964 and had an opportunity to vote on the Civil Rights Act

Republicans were more likely to vote against it than Democrats.
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The Facts are these
if you were serving in the congress in 1964 and had an opportunity to vote on the Civil Rights Act

Republicans were more likely to vote against it than Democrats.


what's important,

is that Mitt Romney marched with MLK

everything else is just spin
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Republicans were more likely to vote against it than Democrats.
Without the help of those Republicans who in my view represent the core principles of Republicanism today ie civil rights for all regardless of color-it wouldn't have passed, was my point.

That said where was one of the main mouth pieces of contemporary Democrat philosophies of today, Senator Robert Byrd on this issue-a Hillary supporter like you; not a Barrack supporter like you, and present day Democrat, unlike you who is a RINO-Republican IN Name Only?

Owned.

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what's important,

is that Mitt Romney marched with MLK

everything else is just spin
let's try and keep our next VP outta this.
He's at the salon right now.


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Psst...let me let you all in on a secret. The left and the right have more in common than they'd like to believe.
My point was that Condi Rice was referring to the Civil Rights Movement, not to African-Americans of some particular party affiliation.
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