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Diemen said:
To be fair to diamond, he did say "some" and not most.
Some of us read what we want to see.
dbs
Diemen said:
To be fair to diamond, he did say "some" and not most.
diamond said:
Then you have the crowd who claims Lincoln was probably gay based on a few letters being taken out of context.
diamond said:My point in citing the Republicans in the civil rights movement of 64 is those that did that then (Republicans) are what represent the majority of the core beliefs of the GOP now, and the civil rights movement needed the help of those Republicans-and they received it because those Republicans "got it" in 1964.
Irvine511 said:
there is ample evidence that go beyond letters that demonstrate that it is quite possible that Lincoln had loving, sexual relationships with men that, today, we would understand as gay.
do we know this for certain? no. is it a historically defensible theory? absolutely.
Dreadsox said:
Wright's approach leads and stokes the fires of racism and in my opinion puts us further back from common ground.
Irvine511 said:
i do see what you are saying. i maintain that the essential message of all of them is the same, only there's an anger to Wright that i understand is unappealing to white americans.
Irvine, though, was arguing that the essential message of "all of them," i.e. "Wright, the Obamas, and Condi (and MLK and Powell)" is the same, except for the anger on Wright's part. I'm not sure that makes for the best analogy to Limbaugh (based in part on some of your own past comments about what sort of figure Limbaugh is--e.g., that he's primarily a cynical shock-jock attention-seeker, rather than a 'True Believer' in the values he nominally espouses). Could you clarify?Irvine511[/i] i maintain that the essential message of all of them is the same said:That's just what I was going to say.
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I promise you there won't be many white fans of a black Rush Limbaugh (unless of course they are parroting the same views as Limbaugh)--which is what I gather this Rev. Wright may be like.
yolland said:
Originally posted by maycocksean
That's just what I was going to say.
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I promise you there won't be many white fans of a black Rush Limbaugh (unless of course they are parroting the same views as Limbaugh)--which is what I gather this Rev. Wright may be like.
Irvine511 said:[q]I guess I'm trying to say that a black man in America isn't "allowed" to be pissed off in quite the same way as a white man could.[/q]
and some would say that this is a racist statement.
do you agree?
And I agreed with much of what he said."
maycocksean said:And Obama, knows this by the way--it's one reason why he's doing as well as he is among white voters, IMO.
Irvine511 said:[q]Rice hits U.S. 'birth defect'
"Black Americans were a founding population," she said. "Africans and Europeans came here and founded this country together — Europeans by choice and Africans in chains. That's not a very pretty reality of our founding."