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Old 03-28-2008, 07:12 PM   #16
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(and not just among Americans either, because I think you encounter it in Canada with respect to First Nations Peoples)
That's a great comparison, and sadly, I agree.
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Senator Obama's mentor Dr. Wright? I think the independent voters will decide if his views are worth engaging.
But are they voting for a candidate, or a candidate's mentor? I would sure hope that if an independent isn't going to vote for Obama, it's because they honestly feel someone else is better for the job, rather than because someone Obama knows said something they disagree with.

(But I suppose that's a whole 'nother topic in a whole 'nother thread.)
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I think the independent voters will decide if his views are worth engaging.
I would think independent voters would be smart enough to realize they aren't voting for someone's "mentor".

But that's just me.
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Senator Obama's mentor Dr. Wright? I think the independent voters will decide if his views are worth engaging.
Because clearly Obama and Wright are the same person.
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Condi must hate America.
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I am disappointed in this thread. To lump what she has said with the comments by the Reverend is disappointing.

I read the comments today, and hoped to come in and start a thread about her comments.

Maybe this election will end and we can get back to dialogue.
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I am disappointed in this thread. To lump what she has said with the comments by the Reverend is disappointing.

I read the comments today, and hoped to come in and start a thread about her comments.

Maybe this election will end and we can get back to dialogue.
This is a debating forum....we have different opinions.

'Dialogue' can be too easily indistinguishable from a bland and meaningless chorus of consensus, I for one prefer debate and argument.
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I am disappointed in this thread. To lump what she has said with the comments by the Reverend is disappointing.
I don't think anyone is lumping...

Just showing the anger is real and still exists...

You are always going to find someone that deals with anger differently. I could give examples of this on almost every existing issue, and show you how many of those are still considered relevant.
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This is a debating forum....we have different opinions.

'Dialogue' can be too easily indistinguishable from a bland and meaningless chorus of consensus, I for one prefer debate and argument.
This is not a "debating" forum

topics do not always fit the "in favor" or "against" the proposition format

some may approach it that way

it is a "discussion" forum

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It seems in a "debate" there are two sides
and one is trying to score points
and win



there does seem to be more substance in some posts and less in others

just my thoughts
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Maybe this election will end and we can get back to dialogue.
I think it has

it is only a question of how big of a margin McCain will win by
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Regardless of who wrote it, that's a great observation.
i agree. that line struck me as well.
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I think there is a distinct difference between Condi's presentation and the Rev.

He unfortunately in my opinion has a view of history not founded in fact or reality. And that makes him lose credibility with me. In his case, I would say yes, he is UNGRATEFUL. America has not nor will she ever be perfect. Yet, America is responsible for many of the things the good Rev. has been afforded.

I think in looking at Condi's approach, she is dead on. It does not appear to me that she has taken an approach that sugar coats the history, nor does she present it in a mannet that I would call her UNGRATEFUL. She presents a fact, that America has been dealing with the after effects of Slavery to this day. It was a birthdefect that the founding fathers were not capable of dealing with.

Not sure with the tone of the original post, or why this has to be a republican/democrat debate.

You may not like the messenger - but that does not negate the message.

In the reverands case - I am not sure I like the messanger because of the message.
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Irvine, I love you.


I think the main comparison Irvine makes is between Condi and Michelle Obama, not with Wright. There's an email forward circulating around (that I started a thread a while back to comment on) that essentially says everything that Irvine's OP says, but says it in relation to Michelle Obama---her "proud of America" comment, despite being a lawyer who went to an Ivy League school.

Good job, Irvy!
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You may not like the messenger - but that does not negate the message.



this is how i feel about Wright.



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In the reverands case - I am not sure I like the messanger because of the message.


what he's saying is, in content, no different than what Dr. Rice or, as been noted before, what Dr. King had to say.

in fact, King had words every bit as harsh when he turned his focus on Vietnam. no, Hillary ain't never been called a n*gger. but you know what, no Viet Cong ever called a black soldier a n*gger either.

i think this is an interesting topic, race continues to fascinate.

but anyone who thinks that this is appropriate criteria upon which to judge a candidate, especially with other issues like, i dunno, the coming recession and the civil war in Iraq, is just as nuts as some claim the pastor to be.

but hey, something actually stuck to Obama. and that's what really matters, right?

if this election is about issues, McCain is toast. Iraq is on fire, and the economy is in the shitter (and the man himself says he really doesn't know too much about it anyway).

if it's about crap buzz words like "honor" or "duty" or "patriotism," then McCain might have a chance.
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if it's about crap buzz words like "honor" or "duty" or "patriotism," then McCain might have a chance.
This doesn't make me any more hopeful about the outcome of this election, you know.
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