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Old 09-24-2006, 05:28 AM   #16
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They've gone and spoiled Karl Rove's big '06 "October surprise."
"The US has given the world George Bush. We have given the world Menage a trois. Game Over."

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Oh there are other root causes for people to be upset about, plenty of them in fact but it is the theology that results in the violence - wheres the Tibetan suicide bomber?
Or the Christian one one, or the Sikh, Jew, Hindu or Greek Orthodox ?
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I hope that most people realize, should this rumor prove to be true, that Bush had nothing to do with Bin Laden's demise. I suppose we might have tried to introduce poison somehow, but I don't think we're anywhere that close to him. If it IS true, would Bush try to take credit for it?

Do you doubt it?
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Or the Christian one one, or the Sikh, Jew, Hindu or Greek Orthodox ?
Look at history and you will realize you are wrong.
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Oh there are other root causes for people to be upset about, plenty of them in fact but it is the theology that results in the violence -

wheres the Tibetan suicide bomber?
Squeeze them into a ghetto,
the size of Gaza

cut off utilities
give their land to new immigrants from eastern Europe



there were no suicide bombers in the 60s. 70s,

when did it start the 90s or the 80s?

create the right environment

and anyone and just about everyone is capable of being a suicide bomber
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there were no suicide bombers in the 60s. 70s,

when did it start the 90s or the 80s?
I don't know specifically about "suicide bombers" but Islamic terrorism certainly existed in those times.
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Old 09-24-2006, 07:30 PM   #23
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Squeeze them into a ghetto,
the size of Gaza

cut off utilities
give their land to new immigrants from eastern Europe



there were no suicide bombers in the 60s. 70s,

when did it start the 90s or the 80s?

create the right environment

and anyone and just about everyone is capable of being a suicide bomber
Obviously this is true, why else would British Pakistanis bomb the underground?

The rise of the suicide bomber is directly connected to that of Islamic fundamentalism. I reiterate that the theology is a driving force around the world.
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One really crazy thing about suicide bombers is the fact that mainstream Islam really is opposed to suicide. I wonder why this is so poorly understood by some Muslims.
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Obviously this is true, why else would British Pakistanis bomb the underground?

The rise of the suicide bomber is directly connected to that of Islamic fundamentalism. I reiterate that the theology is a driving force around the world.

Pork sandwich, anyone?
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I don't know specifically about "suicide bombers" but Islamic terrorism certainly existed in those times.
and was there Jewish terrorism in the 40s?
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Only if it comes with alcohol and pornography.
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Even if he was dead and the US intelligence knew do you think they would tell us? I dont think so. Him being "alive" gives us reason to remain over there....
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The rise of the suicide bomber is directly connected to that of Islamic fundamentalism. I reiterate that the theology is a driving force around the world.


whenever i get in a huff about the potential for apocalyptic mass death embedded in the structure of religion -- any religion -- someone invariably posts about the Tamil Tigers of Sri Lanka who were the original suicide bombers.

is it right to target Islam so specifically? or, is it right to exclusively target Islam?
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It is right to specifically target Islam, it is not right to exclusively target Islam. But we are not at war with the Tamil Tigers and the conditioning of the terrorists that we must deal with is deeply rooted in religious belief.

It is worth pointing out that marxists have the wonderful attribute of generally wanting to live; this does not make them incapable of self-sacrifice but they will not be eager to die.

The only path to eros is through thanatos in the demented mind of the true believer. The conditioning and mindset is consequent of the belief system and I don't see how any unbeliever should on one hand condemn Christianism unequivocally but take a much softer bordering on apologetic approach to Islam. They share the same delusions of invisible friends, they both have to be let down and mocked.

There is reason in humanity that generally overrides that of belief, it is what keeps the vast majority of people from being insane, but the greater the fervor the less the reason - so when talking about true believers being so dangerous it is a slight against the religion but significantly against the individuals themselves who constitute a minority, since the majority of people are relatively reasonable.
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