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Old 06-24-2005, 09:17 AM   #1
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UN Source: US has tortured at Guantanamo, Iraq, and Afghanistan

US acknowledges torture at Guantanamo and Iraq, Afghanistan: UN source 2 hours, 52 minutes ago



Washington has for the first time acknowledged to the United Nations that prisoners have been tortured at US detention centres in Guantanamo Bay, as well as Afghanistan and Iraq, a UN source said.

The acknowledgement was made in a report submitted to the UN Committee against Torture, said a member of the ten-person panel, speaking on on condition of anonymity.

"They are no longer trying to duck this, and have respected their obligation to inform the UN," the Committee member told AFP.

"They they will have to explain themselves (to the Committee). Nothing should be kept in the dark."

UN sources said it was the first time the world body has received such a frank statement on torture from US authorities.

The Committee, which monitors respect for the Convention against Torture and Other Cruel, Inhuman or Degrading Treatment or Punishment, is gathering information from the US ahead of hearings in May 2006.

Signatories of the convention are expected to submit to scrutiny of their implementation of the 1984 convention and to provide information to the Committee.

The document from Washington will not be formally made public until the hearings.

"They haven't avoided anything in their answers, whether concerning prisoners in Iraq, in Afghanistan or Guantanamo, and other accusations of mistreatment and of torture," the Committee member said.

"They said it was a question of isolated cases, that there was nothing systematic and that the guilty were in the process of being punished."

The US report said that those involved were low-ranking members of the military and that their acts were not approved by their superiors, the member added.

The US has faced criticism from UN human rights experts and international groups for mistreatment of detainees -- some of whom died in custody -- in Afghanistan and Iraq, particularly during last year's prisoner abuse scandal surrounding the Abu Ghraib facility there.

Scores of US military personnel have been investigated, and several tried and convicted, for abuse of people detained during the US-led campaign against Islamic terrorist groups.

At the Guantanamo Bay naval base, a US toehold in Cuba where around 520 suspects of some 40 nationalities are held, allegations of torture have combined with other claims of human rights breaches.

The US has faced widespread criticism for keeping the Guantanamo detainees in a "legal black hole," notably for its refusal to grant them prisoner of war status and allegedly sluggish moves to charge or try them.

Washington's report to the Committee reaffirms the US position that the Guantanamo detainees are classed as "enemy combatants," and therefore do not benefit from the POW status set out in the Geneva Conventions, the Committee member said.

Four UN human rights experts on Thursday slammed the United States for stalling on a request to allow visits to terrorism suspects held at the Guantanamo Bay naval base, and said they planned to carry out an indirect probe of conditions there.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20050624...E0BHNlYwN0bWE-
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Old 06-24-2005, 09:21 AM   #2
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Nothing systematic, isolated cases, low ranking personnel, Bush bashing, support our troops or shut up, etc, etc.
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Remember the good ole days of the Clinton admin, when this kind of thing didn't happen?




Really.....I'm not joking. Those seriously were so much better days.
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Remember the good ole days of the Clinton admin, when this kind of thing didn't happen?




Really.....I'm not joking. Those seriously were so much better days.
Oh I sure do. As I posted in another thread, I remember Clinton's feds at Ruby Ridge, shooting and killing a 13 year old in the back as he fled, and then killing an unarmed woman.

I also remember the feds lying about not being able to arrest David Koresh in Waco, so that they'd have an excuse to stage an all-out frontal assault on a compound full of innocent men, women and children, who had been not been convicted of or charged with any crime. Then I remember them using psychological torture on those people, who had not been convicted of or even charged with any crime, in an effort to get them to give up.

Then, I remember the illegal stormtrooping and taking at gunpoint of a frightened little boy named Elian Gonzales.

Oh, those were the "good old days", when abuse of power didn't happen.
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Remember the good ole days of the Clinton admin, when this kind of thing didn't happen?




Really.....I'm not joking. Those seriously were so much better days.

ahhh yes... the good ole days when we let islamic fundamentalists commit acts of terroism against our assets world wide and responded with a law suit... mmmmmm yea... how i miss those days.
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Oh I sure do. As I posted in another thread, I remember Clinton's feds at Ruby Ridge, shooting and killing a 13 year old in the back as he fled, and then killing an unarmed woman.

I also remember the feds lying about not being able to arrest David Koresh in Waco, so that they'd have an excuse to stage an all-out frontal assault on a compound full of innocent men, women and children, who had been not been convicted of or charged with any crime. Then I remember them using psychological torture on those people, who had not been convicted of or even charged with any crime, in an effort to get them to give up.

Then, I remember the illegal stormtrooping and taking at gunpoint of a frightened little boy named Elian Gonzales.

Oh, those were the "good old days", when abuse of power didn't happen.
Yeah, this post isn't ridiculously biased.
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i have an idea. let's talk about the article.

we're seeing again the notion that the administration did nothing to encourage or allow such practices.

garbage.

why did the CIA demand memos providing legal cover for their violation of US law?

why did W create a loop-hole for "military necessity"?

we'll have to wait for the confiramtion of the veracity of this UN source, but, clearly, the evidence for violations of U.S. law is mounting.

and it makes our troops less safe.

that's what i dont' understand about people who want to shrug at the idea of torture as a kind of boys-will-be-boys sideshow. this makes our captured troops much more likely to be tortured in Afghanistan and Iraq. eye for an eye.
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The USA used to have a very high reputation for human rights. Sadly, in my day-to-day contact with people in the outside world, I would have to say that this is no longer the general concensus. It is sickening that torture is being committed by and for America (yes, shipping suspects to other countries where more lax justice systems overlook police brutality is still on our heads). If we want to have any sort of credibility when we demand freedom, democracy and human rights in the wider world, we had best look to our own backyard first.
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Yeah, this post isn't ridiculously biased.
Biased? It all happened, did it not?

I'd say you were the biased one, saying that the days in whcih Ruby Ridge and Waco happened were "good old days".
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Biased? It all happened, did it not?

I'd say you were the biased one, saying that the days in whcih Ruby Ridge and Waco happened were "good old days".

this has nothing to do with this thread. you have your own thread where you've been talking about Waco and Ruby Ridge.
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Someone said that this kind of stuff didn't happen during Clinton's admin. He brought up clinton, not me.
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Someone said that this kind of stuff didn't happen during Clinton's admin. He brought up clinton, not me.


Clinton might be applicable, i don't see how Ruby Ridge and Waco are at all appropriate when we're talking about US troops torturing detainees.
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Just curious....does everyone really believe that this has not happened at any other time?
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I'm sure this never ever happened during the Cold War
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