verte76
Blue Crack Addict
Gosh, have you read anything about the Presidential elections they just had in Ukraine? It's a mess. Here's a link about the crisis.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6374820/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6374820/
Ukraine election controversy
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Irvine511
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i admire the ukrainians -- when they have elections stolen from them, at least they have the good sense to do something about it.
AvsGirl41
New Yorker
Yeah, I've been following this with some interest.
Luckily the protests haven't been crushed, I hope they come to a resolution soon.
Luckily the protests haven't been crushed, I hope they come to a resolution soon.
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
Yeah, I like hell-raisers too. They do this stuff quite a bit. My sister spent two weeks in Ukraine in 2002. They had at least one demonstration against the government in Kyiv, which is interesting, since that's the pro-Russian part of the country, while she was there and then L'viv in the Western part of the country is nationalist big time and they don't like the pro-Russian guy. I hope they can get this stuff worked out.
dandy
Rock n' Roll Doggie Band-aid
I read in the paper today that Canada is refusing to acknowledge the *official* election results. Apparently the international community agrees with the protestors that something is amiss.
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
Damn. I'm afraid this could get ugly.
AvsGirl41
New Yorker
Yes, you know when Putin is telling the international community to butt out, that something stinks in the land of Soviet nostalgia.
Why not just redo the election? That seems fair to me.
Why not just redo the election? That seems fair to me.
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
Oh, no, I'm honestly afraid there could be violence. It's horrible. I'm so sorry, Ukraine has many, many problems. In 2002 the Kyiv demonstrators claimed that the government was corrupt. There were also reports in the press that Ukrainian businesses illegally did business with Iraq. This sucks. 
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Earnie Shavers
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Seen the guy's head?!?
WinnieThePoo
Refugee
western ukraine is not a friendly place .
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
This is one fg mess. I'm glad I'm not living there now.
g mess. I'm glad I'm not living there now.
Bonny
The Fly
I'am ukrainian, I'm living in Kiev, and I must say it isn't scary as you said. Nation just reunioned, people friendly not like before, and all this feeling about thue power, and government, NEW life with new HOPE. I every day spent on the Kreshatik, center of Kiev, with orange and blue-and-yellow flags, with slogans like "Kuchma, Putin go to hell", "We all together today and invincible". It's great feelings, when you really can change something.
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
Bonny said:
I knew there had to be at least one Ukrainian here. I hope you're not offended by any of my notes. The press in the U.S. overblows and oversensationizes every damn thing. The word "crisis" sells newspapers and magazines and the press wants the damn $$. There are demonstrations planned for our Inauguration Day and no one is screaming "crisis" because there's not one. It's great that you guys are active and are changing your country.
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AvsGirl41
New Yorker
Bonny said:
I'm so glad to hear an eyewitness account. I was wondering if it was really the revolution Western reporters were describing.
Good luck! You guys have a good track record when it comes to political protest.
Keep us updated, please! We'll be watching!
DaveC
Blue Crack Addict
http://edition.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/europe/11/27/ukraine/index.html
The Ukrainian Parliament has declared the results of the election to be invalid. They also called for a new vote.
The Ukrainian Parliament has declared the results of the election to be invalid. They also called for a new vote.
U2democrat
Blue Crack Addict
i'm very proud of the ukrainian people for remaining peaceful during this whole ordeal. if it were america i hate to think of what would be going on 
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
go Ukraine! show the world -- *especially* those of us here in the US -- how to make sure every vote gets counted.
A_Wanderer
ONE love, blood, life
You tried that already and you lost fair and square, aint democracy grand.
Irvine511
Blue Crack Supplier
erm, talking about 2000. yes, 2004 is a different story, but had we been able to show a bit more gumption in our country after the 2000 fiasco, the world might be a very different place.
AvsGirl41
New Yorker
A good turn of events.
Yes, America should watch this and be ashamed of their own complacency. We were too eager to "have it all resolved" and get a quick answer. We have a comfortable history with politics and our government, basically.
Eastern Europe, however has enjoyed what--60 years of sham elections? They know one when they see one. And they aren't going to give up their relatively new freedom. So they took to the streets--and peacefully, too! And everyone in the world noticed. I think that is just so awesome. Go, Ukraine!
We're just too damn comfortable here. We don't rock the boat enough.
Yes, America should watch this and be ashamed of their own complacency. We were too eager to "have it all resolved" and get a quick answer. We have a comfortable history with politics and our government, basically.
Eastern Europe, however has enjoyed what--60 years of sham elections? They know one when they see one. And they aren't going to give up their relatively new freedom. So they took to the streets--and peacefully, too! And everyone in the world noticed. I think that is just so awesome.
Go, Ukraine!We're just too damn comfortable here. We don't rock the boat enough.
verte76
Blue Crack Addict
I agree, I'm glad the people in Ukraine raised hell when it became painfully obvious that they'd been ripped off. Demonstrations are great! I love 'em!
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bullet1973
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I'm so glad to hear an eyewitness account. I was wondering if it was really the revolution Western reporters were describing.
Good luck! You guys have a good track record when it comes to political protest.
Keep us updated, please! We'll be watching! [/B][/QUOTE]
It's interesting to read your comments in the wake of a good article I read about how the Western media is covering the events in Ukraine. If u want to read it I've posted the link.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1360811,00.html
Good luck! You guys have a good track record when it comes to political protest.
Keep us updated, please! We'll be watching! [/B][/QUOTE]
It's interesting to read your comments in the wake of a good article I read about how the Western media is covering the events in Ukraine. If u want to read it I've posted the link.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,1360811,00.html
AvsGirl41
New Yorker
WOW. That is a good article.
I know our local press (who probably can't find Ukraine on a map) happened to have a Colorado reporter who was there and kept leaving panicked messages about "It's a revolution! A revolution! Violence will break out any moment...oh, wait, maybe not...no, wait, ahhh!" It was embarressing.
I'm slightly abashed at this painfully accurate assessment of the West throwing our support like this. It's probably because in retrospect, we failed Eastern Europe so miserably, so now we're a bit too enthused.
Yet on the other hand, I really don't trust Putin or the Russia-backed Yanukovych. That the same accusations were leveled in Russia's own election last spring seems to validate Yushchenko's supporters. Putin seems to favor retro style elections, as it were.
I know our local press (who probably can't find Ukraine on a map) happened to have a Colorado reporter who was there and kept leaving panicked messages about "It's a revolution! A revolution! Violence will break out any moment...oh, wait, maybe not...no, wait, ahhh!" It was embarressing.
I'm slightly abashed at this painfully accurate assessment of the West throwing our support like this. It's probably because in retrospect, we failed Eastern Europe so miserably, so now we're a bit too enthused.
Yet on the other hand, I really don't trust Putin or the Russia-backed Yanukovych. That the same accusations were leveled in Russia's own election last spring seems to validate Yushchenko's supporters. Putin seems to favor retro style elections, as it were.
