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Old 12-11-2001, 05:51 PM   #16
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Paxetaurora, I struggle with the same thing too, as I am a huge Tori Amos fan. But I listen to her mostly for her skills in piano, hoping to pick up a few tips from her now and then; I admire her genius in that area as well as her inspiring songwriting. But yes, some of her lyrics bug me, like Father Lucifer ("father lucifer you never looked so sane/you always did prefer the drizzles to the rain/...how's the Lizzies/how's your Jesus Christ been hanging"). However, I don't let that kind of thinking influence me. It is the same as listening to a friend yap about atheism or Christian-bashing all day--it's an annoying mosquito bite and nothing more. Also, I think that if one feels that one is pliable or impressionable, then one should stay away from such influences, as you have wisely done.

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I don't mind artists expressing their own religious sentiments, but to blatantly mock a religion in this way is terrible.

Tori Amos is another artist whose work I will never buy.
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Old 12-11-2001, 06:52 PM   #17
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I still listen to her, but her lyrics make me twitch a little bit sometimes. However, I wouldn't say that I *avoid* her, per se. Sometimes that twitch is a good thing. It makes me think about why people have hangups against Christianity, and how these hangups can be responded to.
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tori amos sung in cannibal corpse song.
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Old 12-11-2001, 06:57 PM   #19
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Whats the big deal with Tori Amos?
No, I'm not being sarcastic, I'm actually asking... I don't know her work all that well. If its anti-christian then I should look into it.

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... And as for the connection between U2 and God, I do believe there is one HUGE connection, and, if I were to analyse some of Bono's lyrics, I would say that he's a man after my own heart;

'And I'd join the movement,
if there was one I could believe in -
yeah, I'd break bread and wine
if there was a church I could receive in...'
ACROBAT.

That says it all for me.
I love God, but I loathe religion.

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I think she's mostly against the factions of the Christian church that are still more patriarchal. Interestingly enough, she has said on more than one occasion that she has no problem with Jesus, and her dad is a Methodist minister.

She also had this crazy grandmother who was all about stuff like "masturbate and you'll go to hell."

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I am still not sure where my faith is...I believe in God, but like everyone else I have big questions. Anyways, I feel listening to U2 in itself is a religious experience.

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I am still not sure where my faith is...I believe in God, but like everyone else I have big questions. Anyways, I feel listening to U2 in itself is a religious experience.
EXACTLY! YES!

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There is a world of difference between spirituality and religion, one is of God and one is of Man.

But God created both and loves us all.

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Thanks for everyone's input--very interesting to read. I'm not a religious person but I am a spiritual person. U2's music really inspires me--I often say that their shows have been my religious experiences in life.
But anyway...that's all I have to say about that.

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Fascinating thread!
This is the kind of juicy stuff I love in "Free Your Mind".

I had NO idea about Tori Amos! At first, when I read the info above... I got angry, "Well, screw her then!"
But, thats wrong. I mean, I listen to a lot of stuff that some Fundimentalist would consider "evil & demonic", but that I enjoy for what I "take" from it, and I give no creedence to its anti-whatever message or stance.
I think, at least for myself, my faith has got to be stronger than what a song may say to me, ...ya know???

Anywayyyyy, the usual pro-God/anti-religion stance has popped up here again by the usual suspects.. and I agonize while I force myself to just let it go. Ive stated my views plenty of times before, why re-hash it.

I love U2's obvious spirituality, and yes, Bono's Christianity.... and I like Creed too...and Collective Soul... and Kirk Franklin.


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We are all U2 fans. The concept of God has nothing to do with U2.

We are all agnostic (i.e. we don't know if there's a God). Some of us are just willing to admit it.

Others have been effectively trained and socialized to "have faith" that there is a God, despite the near-total lack of evidence in support of this.

Just because we can't explain creation doesn't mean there has to be a God. That logic is totally flawed.
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We are all U2 fans. The concept of God has nothing to do with U2.
We are all agnostic (i.e. we don't know if there's a God). Some of us are just willing to admit it.
Others have been effectively trained and socialized to "have faith" that there is a God, despite the near-total lack of evidence in support of this.
Just because we can't explain creation doesn't mean there has to be a God. That logic is totally flawed.
Hey, God has LOTS to do with many of our decisions to be U2 fans! It's what turned me on to U2 back in `84. I loved the Christian lyrics.
Also, we are NOT all agnostics. I don't know what you think an agnostic is, but an agnostic is someone who hasn't decided whether he believes that God exists or not. That certainly doesn't fit me. I have definitely decided that I believe God exists.
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Old 12-12-2001, 02:38 PM   #29
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No offense is intended by any of this.

I understand U2's idea of God is important to some. But U2's idea of God (and yours or mine) has nothing to do with whatever God really is (if it exists). So perhaps what you're responding to is the fact that you happen to have similar beliefs with U2, and you like to see them referred to in their songs.

And getting past the "agnostic" semantics, my point stands: none of us know if there's a God, whether or not we are able to admit it.
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True. I should have said, "God has nothing to do with U2" rather than referring to "the concept".
groooooan, let's forget this. I wasn't even referring to the way you wrote it. All I was saying was that God has everything to do with U2. Bono loves God. He has the joy of God. He sings songs about God. If Bono had no belief in God, there might not ever have been a U2, so God has everything to with U2.

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