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Old 07-01-2008, 11:17 PM   #1
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Americans are world's top drug users: study

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Isn't it part of the Libertarian platform to decriminalize marijuanna, iron horse?
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Isn't it part of the Libertarian platform to decriminalize marijuanna, iron horse?
I was going to ask the same question...
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There is a difference between supporting decriminalisation and supporting drug use.
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There is a difference between supporting decriminalisation and supporting drug use.
Is there?

I understand supporting free speech but not agreeing with what some individuals say, but I support their right to say it.

But I don't understand allowing individuals to use drugs but then being upset by it. I can see being upset by certain individuals abuse of them, but I don't understand just being upset by the use.
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The war on drugs, the policies by governments to use law enforcement to attack drug users has not succeeded and cannot succeed. People can oppose that and support decriminalisation without supporting drug use or using drugs themselves.

The concept that we have freedom of thought and freedom over our minds and bodies also enters into it, one may hold principles of individual autonomy quite highly yet refrain from using drugs. I think that someone can hold the opinion that criminalising drug use is positively harmful but still be upset by the negative effects of drug abuse. It isn't a hypocritical position.

Penn & Teller would be an example of prominent libertarians who abstain from drugs while publicly supporting decriminalisation.
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Penn & Teller would be an example of prominent libertarians who abstain from drugs while publicly supporting decriminalisation.
No one said anything about having to partake in order to support decriminalisation. Penn & Teller are very outspoken about their support to decriminalize drugs, but they also don't judge the use.

I do find a contradiciton in supporting decriminalisation but then turning around and judging it's use. If the article was U.S. Americans are Top Drug Abusers, I can understand the frown, but as it stands it seems somewhat contradictory.
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You may feel that it's contradictory but it seems a perfectly fine position to me, I think that it's much more benign than those backing prohibition.

The assumption that drug use is a negative seems very flawed to me, people have no problem with functional alcohol abuse yet because a drug is classed as illegal it becomes wrong.
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If we learned one thing from the prohibition of alcohol, it's that making something illegal will stop them from doing it and make everything sunshine and rainbows.
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And definitely won't give massive profits to organised crime
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You may feel that it's contradictory but it seems a perfectly fine position to me, I think that it's much more benign than those backing prohibition.

The assumption that drug use is a negative seems very flawed to me, people have no problem with functional alcohol abuse yet because a drug is classed as illegal it becomes wrong.
I agree that the assumption that drug use shouldn't be negative. This is why I'm perplexed by this poster's entry.
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I think that he has made a choice against drug use and lives by that, I can respect it. I also think that he doesn't shy away from viewing it as a negative and opposes it. Is it any different than someone supporting abortion rights but opposing abortion? People can support the freer option but maintain the view that the consequences are negative.
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Is it any different than someone supporting abortion rights but opposing abortion? People can support the freer option but maintain the view that the consequences are negative.
I see what you are getting at, but...

I've found very few that support the right to choose, but oppose ALL abortion, they usually understand there is a time and place. The same with drugs, use and abuse are two different things, I just found the post a little curious...


But would he show the same concern if the article was 'U.S. Americans are Top Cigarette Smokers'?
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