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Old 05-08-2005, 09:51 PM   #61
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Good:
Our women shave their legs and smell nice, first and foremost.
Pro-Israel.
Got rid of the Whig party. (I know, I cheated with the pre-WW2 stuff)
Outlawed slavery. (Yet again)
Fought communism/socialism.
Influenced Europe to use more humane punishments for criminals.
Sought racial equality.
Devoted to combating global terrorism.
Gave birth to aviation.
Invented the internet. (Thanks, Al Gore.)
Invented the skyscraper. (Another pre-WW2 cheat, sorry)
Landed on the moon.
Invented the fortune cookie.

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Watergate.
Bay of Pigs.
Vietnam.
Adulters for presidents.
Obsessed with sex.
Many dodgy politicians.
Overweight.
Murdered John Lennon, Malcolm X, MLK, JFK, RFK, 2Pac, B.I.G., etc.
Politically divided.
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Our women shave their legs and smell nice, first and foremost.


Wow...do you realize how many women around the world you have just insulted?
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A fair bit of this thread is internationally insulting.
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Wow...do you realize how many women around the world you have just insulted?
No pun intended.
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Good:
Our women shave their legs
Well.... sometimes....
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Landed on the moon.

.... I heard once that was a setup to take advantage during the cold war...

and the movie was directed by Kubrick
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.... I heard once that was a setup to take advantage during the cold war...

and the movie was directed by Kubrick
I've talked to conspiracy theorists about it, and their cases weren't very convincing.
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Same goes for bottled water. I'm old enough at the ripe old age of 28 to remember the days when people drank it from a tap! Imagine that. But in our increased times of excess and expediency, we want instant clean water, instead of boiling it ourselves or buying an at home purifier. It's moved beyond being a handy product or service to make life easier, and become something we now rely on, and it's made us lazy as a result.
Bottled water still amazes me. I only buy bottled water if I'm out and forgot to bring my own water and can't find a fountain. I always have and still get my water directly from the tap. I have a couple of large bottles I fill in my kitchen sink and put in the fridge -- that way it's always cold. I love cold water. And it's cheap to buy -- something like $28 USD per 1500 gallons. I have a cistern and roof gutters which feed into it, so I haven't had to buy water in a few years.

But whoever started to market bottled water is a frickin' genius! A lot of it is simply tap water put into bottles. The same damned stuff that comes out of most people's tap! Boggles the mind.
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Invented the internet. (Thanks, Al Gore.)
the guy that invented the internet was british
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.... I heard once that was a setup to take advantage during the cold war...

and the movie was directed by Kubrick
That was a good mockumentary.
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Touchy! Sheesh!
If anyone personally created what I object to, then my sincerest apologies for offending anyone. If not, then buck up and put it in context, eh? I just dont want to start up Word and have it underline words like 'favourite' in red, because it is spelled incorrectly. I've set my MS to English (Australian) which is it's own bastardisation of the English language, but I dont want to go through 2 lots of changes to get it spelled correctly for here. I dont want to 24 hour donut shops. Who in their right mind would want a bloody donut at 3am? On the subject of the latest invasion, Kripy Kreme, who in their right mind would want to buy a box of 12? Unless you have a family of 10 kids and it's a treat? It's excessive. And yes, I do avoid it. Like McDonalds and other fast food. On fast food though, Subway! What the hell is the deal here? A novelty healthy fast food place? It's famous for simply being healthy. That is sad. Countless sandwich bars already sell, and have done for as long as we've all been alive, healthy simple sandwiches. And they're a lot cheaper too. But in railing against (admirably) the stronghold unhealthy fast food has on all our societies, Subway has become something to bow to. This appreciation speaks more than the mere presence of Subway. I wont believe that America has never seen healthy food before. It cant be all that new and exciting, surely? Yet in it's protest against affordable convenient food, it took another giant chain to get people to eat well. Starbucks and their counterparts. Isn't this a bit excessive too? Can people not surive a few hours anymore without a coffee when they're out and about doing their errands? Our parents used to, and I'm sure they all drank a lot of coffee as well. Sure, it wasn't any swanky mocha latte frappacino with skim milk, but it served it's purpose of a caffeine hit for those in need. People survived a great long time with having coffee at home and not needing to spend the cost of half a jar of instant while 'doing the shopping' or whatever. Same goes for bottled water. I'm old enough at the ripe old age of 28 to remember the days when people drank it from a tap! Imagine that. But in our increased times of excess and expediency, we want instant clean water, instead of boiling it ourselves or buying an at home purifier. It's moved beyond being a handy product or service to make life easier, and become something we now rely on, and it's made us lazy as a result.
Is this all America's fault? Certainly not, and not in the case of 'blame' either. I'm sure all these businesses and concepts began as a way to help a rather large nation by offering things which helped make life a little easier. Consumerism took on a new face as time went on, with everything being throw-away and instant. And like all good businesses, they wanted to expand to where ever would adopt them, including here. So we lapped it up, and it kept getting fed. Here was yet another willing market for this change to spread to.

Something similar happened with television. 7,9 and 10 look at ratings for American sitcoms and realise it's cheaper to buy the rights to a season of already established popularity, than to try and create our own. Your networks utilise that popularity to sell it to overseas markets. And so when we turn on our tellies, we have a choice of American sitcoms or the latest imitation of an American based reality tv show. As for how much our industry suffers is probably debatable, but it seems the only shows here which get any run is Home and Away & Neighbours, or gardening/lifestyle programmes. Our movies have moderate success here, but how many of ours make it over there? It's not a form of cultural or social exchange when all of this is one-way. It reaches more than movies, tv and food. The fact that all of this reaches our shores is not the problem, nor whether it is quality or not (as that is subjective), but the volume of it, the saturation, is.


yup, pretty much agree with everything.

you also get to an important point -- what's often labled as "cultural imperialism" in regards to movies, tv shows, and music, aren't part of an insidious plot but are simply the restult of market-demand. i laugh when people think television, or news, espouses a certain political point of view. it doesn't. television isn't motivated by ideology, it is motivated by where the money is. the bottom line, i think, is that if people find "friends" culturally threatening -- and i think that kind of argument can be made, but it also seems a bit protectionist and parochial, and as A_W said, why not get the best of what the world has to offer? i'm very happy to have seen both "coupling" and "the office" in their original british versions -- then they need to speak with their wallets.

if people didn't watch bad movies, fewer bad movies would be made.

as for Aussie movies in the US ... well, Baz Luhrman is revered, and Jane Campion has had her share of Oscar nominations, and we all know that more and more filming is being done in Australia, like the new Star Wars movies (i don't hold you lovely people accountable for those atrocities, however; that's clearly George Lucas' fault); and Australian actors have always done well over here, from the obvious superstars (Nicole Kidman) to the up-and-coming (the lovely Naomi Watts).

i also think people make the mistake of making direct one-to-one comparisons between their country and the US. the US has 300 million people, Australia has somewhere around 28-30 million. our cultural export/output should be 10x that. people will say things like, "in sweden we do this, in the US you do that" and i find it an impossible comparison. the US is vast, geographically and culturally, and you're much more likely to make good comparisons between, say, the EU and the US than you are on a one-to-one basis.
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A fair bit of this thread is internationally insulting.


how?

i intended for it to be kind of contraversial, to heat things up, but i in no way intended for it to be insulting -- in fact, if i was hoping anyone would be insulted, it would have been my fellow americans. i mean no one any disrespect.

i suppose the direction i was hoping to steer towards was both cultural "imperialism" and, much more specifically, what the US did to win the Cold War -- were all those proxy wars resulting in, say, the death of 30,000 Nicaraguans worth it to defeat the Soviet Union? was what happened between 1945 and 1990 which resulted in the US "winning" -- evidence in the collapse of Communism -- achieved in such a way that the ends (no more Soviets) justified the means (proxy wars, horrible anti-communist dictators supported).
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No pun intended.


you managed to be sexist and jingoistic in the same breath.

you also put your finger on *exactly* what people resent about the US.
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were all those proxy wars resulting in, say, the death of 30,000 Nicaraguans worth it to defeat the Soviet Union? was what happened between 1945 and 1990 which resulted in the US "winning" -- evidence in the collapse of Communism -- achieved in such a way that the ends (no more Soviets) justified the means (proxy wars, horrible anti-communist dictators supported).
i don't think meddling in south america or southeast asia really did much to 'defeat' the soviet union. it's well documented that the ussr crumbled due in large part to internal problems rather than ronald reagan. so i don't think the wholesale slaughter and destruction of the "proxy wars" were really worth much of anything except the spread of u.s. hegemony. i think you'd find a lot of people who would argue that the collapse of the soviet union was indeed a bad thing in and of itself because it created a power vaccuum that left he u.s. as the only viable international force. and in the end how better off are the people of the former soviet republics? places like turkmenistan and uzbekistan have brutal dictators and most of the countries are in financial ruin. polls in russia show many people miss the soviet era. i won't make an argument for stalin or totalitarianism, but it seems like it has been a lose/lose situation for the people over there.

but we're in charge now so it has definitely been worth it. a little collateral damage never hurt anyone. /sarcasm
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^ precisely what i was hoping to get at
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