U. of Florida Student Arrested & Tasered at John Kerry Forum for Asking Questions.

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Let that be a lesson to people to be brief when participating in a Q & A session.

Maybe it was a pre-emptive strike against him cause he may have stuff at home that he could possibly use against one his neighbours in the future.

Seriously though, that was fucked up.
 
PlaTheGreat said:
http://video.nbc6.net/player/?id=157250

This video shows a lot of the aftermath. While I can see the guy was getting heated and way too overexcited, especially in the presence of a politician, I think the police went way beyond the point of duty here.
He has a valid point at the end. No one told him why he was being arrested, nor did they even read him his rights. I'm sure they probably did later, but isn't it supposed to be done at the moment of arrest?

Dude, is he a moron? Why does he think he got "arrested." He was a loud, selfish bastard hogging the Q & A time. :evil:
 
kellyahern said:
I don't understand why they tased him. It looked like they had enough police there to take him out of the room and control him without the tasering. He didn't have a weapon and it didn't look like he was punching or kicking them.

That's not even getting into the free speech issue.

As for the guy being a douche, well he is a Gator after all :shifty:.


He looked like a threat to me. He deosn't need a weapon to be a threat. He was a big dude with an annoying never-ending whine who happens to plead ignorance when he doesn't get his way.

Free speech issues? I see no free speech issues.
 
Flying FuManchu said:
LMFAO... If he'd stfu, stop flailing, and then not try to make a run for it, he might not have been tazered. Selfish bastard got greedy with his speaking time too during the Q & A session. I'm surprised they didn't baton his ass as well.

Oh, I don't know, maybe they should have just shot him in the head?

These traitorous troublemakers deserve everything they get! :up:
 
Florida campus cops on leave after Taser incident

* Story Highlights
* Florida Division of Law Enforcement to probe arrest of student
* University spokesman: Andrew Meyer was "being disruptive"
* Some students protest arrest, call it unacceptable in the United States
* Kerry: In 37 years of appearances "I have never had a dialogue end this way"

(CNN) -- Two University of Florida police officers have been placed on leave with pay after using an electronic stun gun to subdue a student who was questioning Sen. John Kerry at a campus forum, the school's president said Tuesday.

The Florida Division of Law Enforcement will investigate Monday's arrest of student Andrew Meyer, said J. Bernard Machen. Machen called the incident "regretful for us."

"The thing that I regret is that civil dialogue and civil discourse did not happen," Machen said. "That's fundamental to a university campus. Why it didn't happen is what we're trying to sort out."

During Monday's forum, Meyer came to the microphone to question why the 2004 Democratic presidential nominee from Massachusetts did not contest his loss to President Bush in the pivotal state of Ohio over allegations that African-American voters were disenfranchised, why he did not support Bush's impeachment and whether he belonged to the Yale University secret society Skull and Bones, as Bush did.

Meyer had about a minute and a half at the microphone before police stepped in to haul him away. As he tried to escape their grip, Kerry protested, "That's all right, let me answer his question."
 
financeguy said:


Oh, I don't know, maybe they should have just shot him in the head?

These traitorous troublemakers deserve everything they get! :up:

Now you're being an extremist. We live in America. But who knows? Those neo-con police officers may have put a bullet through his head right after everyone cut off their cameras...
 
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Just b/c those officers are on paid leave doesn't mean they will necessarily be punished. The guy had his time to speak and then some. The officers were asked to escort that yahoo away from the mic when he refused to let Kerry answer. The real victim is John Kerry in all this.
 
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U2DMfan said:


How many of us would have loved to have had that same opportunity to ask a thought provoking question to someone so powerful and actually be able to resist becoming a selfish brat who felt entitled to have the forum all to himself?

He was arrested. What in anything that he did was illegal?

I have to say, I get chills (the bad kind :wink: ) when I read things like you should expect to take your changes on getting tazed or arrested when you get "overexcited" in a cop's presence. :ohmy:

Headache, that sounded like a totally sane post to me.

Cheers all,
SD
 
I've been to these types of forums or lectures where they have a Q & A session right after, and I'm glad someone had the balls to actually do something about that one annoying guy who always has to ask more than one question while asking all "rhetorical" questions. You know the guy who is the attention whore who uses up all the Q & A portion of the forum. Mebbe it will be a warning to those kinds of people to keep it short and sweet.
 
joyfulgirl said:
On Tuesday, Kerry released a statement saying he was not aware of the severity of the police response.

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of answering him when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a Taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted," Kerry said.

Kerry described the situation as a guy "barging to the front of the line." I bet he probably thought the guy was douche as well and probably longed for a Coulter pie in the face instead of hearing the douche drone on and on.
 
When did John Kerry hire the storm troopers away from the Republicans? :wink:

Seriously though, this story would be a lot bigger if the kid was removed from a Bush or Rudy rally in the same way.
 
Flying FuManchu said:
Kerry described the situation as a guy "barging to the front of the line." I bet he probably thought the guy was douche as well and probably longed for a Coulter pie in the face instead of hearing the douche drone on and on.

Flying FuManchu, what age are you? Your answer may be important for some of us in adjudging how seriously to take your posts. If you are over 18 for example, I'd be pretty concerned.
 
Flying FuManchu said:
LMFAO... If he'd stfu, stop flailing, and then not try to make a run for it, he might not have been tazered. Selfish bastard got greedy with his speaking time too during the Q & A session. I'm surprised they didn't baton his ass as well.



i know!

that douchebag Rodney King had it coming too.

and wtf is that Matthew Sheppard doing coming on to straight guys? he *made* them panic!
 
Bluer White said:

Seriously though, this story would be a lot bigger if the kid was removed from a Bush or Rudy rally in the same way.



i think deep has a point -- this guy would never, ever have gotten into a Bush event.

but this begs the question, why would it have been a bigger story? why do you think people are more suspicious of Republicans and civil liberties? is it because Republicans have a reputation of crushing dissent? is it because of the highly selected audiences Bush speaks to (like those people cheering on the south lawn of the WH today)?
 
Flying FuManchu said:


Dude, is he a moron? Why does he think he got "arrested." He was a loud, selfish bastard hogging the Q & A time. :evil:

:huh:

There are plenty of loud, selfish, bastards who hog everything. That doesn't make them criminals. It makes them assholes, but it's not something that demands an arrest.

I've seen louder and more physical scuffles at my workplace and everything can be resolved if there is just ONE member of either side that calms down.
You can even hear Kerry in the background asking everyone to please calm down.

I can see that the guy was irate in the first place, this is probably his only opportunity to address Kerry and he was hoping to garner a whole bunch of MYEAHS! when he asked for Bush to get impeached. That didn't mean he was inciting a riot. He was just looking for support when he obviously felt surrounded by the cops.
 
I'm pretty sure FuManchu is trying to get everyone's goat in here. That, or he's delusional.

I watched the video 3 times now, and it gets more and more unnerving. I cannot come close to accurately describing how much this episode bothers me.

The guy did not one thing to warrant this sort of treatment. So frustrating to me. So fucking frustrating.
 
joyfulgirl said:
On Tuesday, Kerry released a statement saying he was not aware of the severity of the police response.

"In 37 years of public appearances, through wars, protests and highly emotional events, I have never had a dialogue end this way. I believe I could have handled the situation without interruption, but again I do not know what warnings or other exchanges transpired between the young man and the police prior to his barging to the front of the line and their intervention. I asked the police to allow me to answer the question and was in the process of answering him when he was taken into custody. I was not aware that a Taser was used until after I left the building. I hope that neither the student nor any of the police were injured. I regret enormously that a good healthy discussion was interrupted," Kerry said.

lame:madspit:
 
financeguy said:


Flying FuManchu, what age are you? Your answer may be important for some of us in adjudging how seriously to take your posts. If you are over 18 for example, I'd be pretty concerned.

He comes in once every few months trolls a while and then leaves...
 
Headache in a Suitcase said:
it would be nice if once, just once... one of these blowhards who preaches about how our civil rights are being violated actually stood up for someone else's, especially when it's happening right in front of their own eyes.

it's why i hate democrats as much as i hate republicans. they're all hypocrits.


:eyebrow:
oh, Headache, please go read some history or do some googling, .....there are democrats AND republicans {NOT neo-cons} who have {and are} stood up for various crucial things through the decades.
 
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joyfulgirl said:
Though Kerry didn't see everything that was happening, the fact that the police forcibly removed the guy while he was asking a question that Kerry was willing to answer seems like enough for Kerry to have responded with something stronger. He may not have anticipated the student getting tasered but he must have known that just removing the guy was way off.

But I agree with U2Democrat that Kerry shouldn't be the main focus of criticism.

no i think he isa part of it in this sense.........
.......i mean, if the guy turned to be a more serious problem then it would have come out...but I'd rather Kerry had really used some REAL lung power right thren and there. Maybe it wouldn't have stopped it, but maybe it would of. Kerry WAS right there at the start.

as to police.........
I've been at , mnay various [ real political type] events with Q & A's thru the years....
....if someone got obnoxious, eventually the mike would be cut off, the audience boo , and i don't know if I've ever seen local internal security people do someting [let alone have police there] etc and things would wind down eventually.

ANd i mean post-1968 when political figures & the event holder had to be more concerned about safety/dsecurity issues.


This was apalling! :mad:
I would have been horrified if I'd been there!

Some talk show host on the radio said they guys likes to sometimes provoke people ..and thought he was "over-acting"..
.............that still dosen't "earn" him being manhadled and tasered.

yeah, like right..........how'd you like 4 or so officers around you, moving you away, forcing you on the ground, and then tasering you? fucking hell..........

maybe the police, or somebody didn't like the questions.........?
 
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tasers are sick

BonoVoxSupastar said:
I remember a thread a while back about a tasering on campus, can't remember what the issue that started it, but it was very similar to this. It was on campus, several different videos circulating on the internet, and the procedure was similar(if I remember right) they hauled him almost to the exit and then tasered him right there as they had him held down.

Yes, I believe it was a library on campus and the guy refused to leave.
He started screaming "What did I do?" and "I'm not resisting arrest." He got tasered 5 or 6 times, yet at the same time being asked to "get up".

As for "Kerry could have stopped this" (assuming he saw tasers being used), there were people in immediate proximity in that particular campus library incident that demanded the officer's badges/names and yelled at the cops to stop the taser ab(use). The police's response ? "You'll be next."

Hopefully the video can be evidence enough for the policemen to be punished.
 
Apparently he has a history of pulling pranks and then posting them on his web site as some sort of claim to fame. So perhaps that was his goal, it did seem rather melodramatic even before he was tasered. That doesn't excuse at all the way the police reacted, but maybe it's a reason for his behavior prior to the tasering. Maybe he wanted some drama-not that sort of drama obviously.
 
dazzledbylight said:


no i think he isa part of it in this sense.........
.......i mean, if the guy turned to be a more serious problem then it would have come out...but I'd rather Kerry had really used some REAL lung power right thren and there. Maybe it wouldn't have stopped it, but maybe it would of. Kerry WAS right there at the start.

see my later post in which, after seeing a clearer video of the incident, I was more critical of Kerry - I agree with you, basically
 
ocala.com

GAINESVILLE - Police have released the incident report detailing the Tasering of a University of Florida student during a campus forum with Sen. John Kerry Monday, and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."

In the 12-page report, which gives accounts of the incident from the perspective of eight different officers who were present Monday afternoon, Officer Nicole Mallo writes that Meyer would only resist officers when cameras were present.

"As (Meyer) was escorted down stairs (at the University Auditorium) with no cameras in sight, he remained quiet, but once the cameras made their way down stairs he started screaming and yelling again," Mallo wrote.

Mallo was one of two officers who actually rode in the vehicle as Meyer was escorted to the Alachua County jail, and she said said he told them during the ride: "I am not mad at you guys, you didn't do anything wrong, you were just trying to do your job," according to Mallo's account.

Mallo also wrote in her report that he asked, at one point, if cameras would be present at the jail.

The report details the events leading up to Meyer's arrest, saying that Meyer was in line to ask a question of Sen. Kerry when it was decided that no more questions would be allowed.

Meyer continued down the aisle toward Sen. Kerry angrily, according to police, saying he wanted the senator to answer his question because he had been waiting for two hours.

Though Sen. Kerry directed that Meyer be allowed to ask his question, police reported that Meyer did not ask any specific question and instead "badgered" the senator, and at one point said something about President Clinton being impeached over a sexual act.

At that point, police reported that ACCENT Director Max Tyroler turned off Meyer's microphone and asked police to escort him out of the auditorium, saying, "He had said enough," according to Officer Mallo's report.

Officers then proceeded to attempt to remove Meyer from the room, but when he resisted, they placed him on the ground and tried to handcuff him. The six officers who actually took part in holding Meyer down while he was being handcuffed reported that they were only able to get a handcuff on his right hand because he was squirming so much.

The supervising officer, Sgt. Eddie King, attempted to Taser Meyer on his chest, but he reported that his Taser would not deploy. He then instructed Mallo to Taser Meyer, and she Tasered him on his shoulder, according to one of the officer's report.

The officers were then able to fully handcuff Meyer and escort him from the building. Each of the six officers reported that Meyer yelled things like, "They're going to kill me," and, "They are giving me to the government," while he was being taken from the room.

Friends say student arrest not a stunt
6:37 p.m.

Despite humorous videos, pictures and acts attributed to Andrew Meyer online, friends of the University of Florida student insist his arrest Monday at an appearance by Sen. John Kerry was not any sort of publicity stunt.

"I think he just got scared," said Jon Levy, who identified himself as a student and a friend of Meyer's. "He is a funny person, but he is a funny person who really wants political change.

"He went there to ask some tough questions," Levy said.

Another friend and UF student, Michael Goldman, said he didn't believe Meyer intended for anything unusual to happen.

However, one of the many videos circulating of the incident was shot with Meyer's own camera.

Clarissa Jessup, who was standing near Meyer just before UF Police Tasered him and took him into custody, said Meyer asked her to film him asking Kerry a question just before he approached the microphone.

That has given rise to rumors that Meyer, who aspires to work in the national media, was hoping to get arrested or videotaped as part of some sort of elaborate stunt. But Jessup, who says she never met Meyer prior to the forum, says she thinks he simply wanted a video of himself talking to Kerry.

"I don't even know this kid," said Jessup, rebuffing any notion that she'd collaborated with Meyer to film an incident he knew would escalate.

Additionally, some content on Meyer's Web site, TheAndrewMeyer.com, suggests that Meyer is a bit of a prankster.

For example, one post written by Meyer recounts a time that he wore a funny hat and a blue tank top to a nice restaurant. He said his friends should have been, "accustomed and expecting of my uncanny ways." The post also says: "There is no wiggle room in the world these days for the dancing jester. There are specific social mores that must be upheld no matter how silly the place, the rules must be followed."

A video titled "Beauty is in the eye of the beholder" features a man dressed in drag who becomes an attractive blonde after a few drinks.

Friends said Meyer didn't create all of the movies on the site and weren't sure which ones he had.

One of the posts on his Web site is a described as a "disorganized diatribe."

It criticizes media content, especially about the Iraq War.

A major theme in the post is lack of media coverage of important issues like the War in Iraq and the media's focus on entertainment issues.

One excerpt from that article reads: "The news is designed to keep viewers watching and sedated and not thinking bad thoughts about America, because that would be bad for the economy. Stories about a severely unbalanced budget are out, train wrecks like Paris and Anna are in. A train wreck may be senseless and pointless, but Americans sure do love to watch."

Levy said that he feels most news media are missing the issue that Meyer's incident should have brought up.

"The issue he was trying to get at was getting people to be more informed and willing to ask questions," Levy said, adding that he had talked to Meyer earlier Tuesday.

He mentioned what he called the irony that Meyer was asking a question when the scuffle with University Police began.

Meyer was a student writer at one time for the Sun-Sentinel in Fort Lauderdale. A description on the Sun-Sentinel Web site written by Meyer says: "Andrew tries to write mostly whimsical nonsense columns about nothing in particular, yet occasionally finds himself angry enough to rain down fire and brimstone on an unsuspecting politician or celebrity."

He also expresses his disdain for referring to himself in the third person, yet in most of his posts and on his Facebook.com profile he refers to himself as The Andrew Meyer.
 
I have no doubt that he did alot of this for the cameras, but I have a hard time believing this is exactly how he said this:

and the officer who actually Tasered Andrew Meyer wrote in the report that Meyer later told police, "You didn't do anything wrong."
 
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