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Old 09-18-2007, 01:15 PM   #16
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to play devil's advocate here... would we not be talking about hte person who was giving the speech if it was, say, condy rice? don rumsfeld? rudy giuliani? george bush?
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Kerry was in a damned if you do and damned in you don't position...how was he to know how far the officers would take it? If he were to say lay off he could be labeled as anti-police
Good point.
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I don't care who the politician would have been, Democrat, Republican, independent green, blue, white, whatever. The issue at hand is not Kerry or [insert politicians name here], it is the actions taken by the police. Even if he had said lay off, do you think they would have?
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yes, i do.
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Old 09-18-2007, 01:36 PM   #20
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to play devil's advocate here... would we not be talking about the person who was giving the speech if it was, say, condy rice? don rumsfeld? rudy giuliani? george bush?


if it was Bush

this guy would have never even got within 100 yards of the venue
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Interesting point.
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it would be nice if once, just once... one of these blowhards who preaches about how our civil rights are being violated actually stood up for someone else's, especially when it's happening right in front of their own eyes.

it's why i hate democrats as much as i hate republicans. they're all hypocrits.
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it would be nice if once, just once... one of these blowhards who preaches about how our civil rights are being violated actually stood up for someone else's, especially when it's happening right in front of their own eyes.

it's why i hate democrats as much as i hate republicans. they're all hypocrits.
I tend to agree.
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But how do you stand up for someone when you don't know the whole story? I mean if I were in Kerry's shoes my gut reaction would have been to say something, but if it turned out that this guy made a threat off mic, or a threatening guesture, or had a knife that I didn't see or know about, I would have looked the fool for standing up for someone who was a real threat.
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look, i can't see how it all happened from kerry's point of view, but one would think that everyone had to pass through some pretty tight security to get into the place, and from the video it's fairly clear as day to see that all the guy had in his hands was a book.

i have to think though... if he just would have asked kerry about his feelings on battlestar galactica, none of this would have happend.
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I only watched this youtube once at 2 AM last night.

But, I don't recall Kerry getting upset with the guy
and I do recall him saying more than once he would answer the questions.

also, most of the confrontation is in the back of gymnasium and even outside in the hall way

I don't know how much Kerry could see

what we saw and heard is bad

but Kerry was out of range




I could speculate about the motivation of the campus police

I don't see them as being pro-Kerry
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look, i can't see how it all happened from kerry's point of view, but one would think that everyone had to pass through some pretty tight security to get into the place, and from the video it's fairly clear as day to see that all the guy had in his hands was a book.
I know, I'm just playing devil's advocate in order to cover all ground. Yes, logic tells us he's gone through a security check, etc but when actually up there and watching this as it happens and all of the commotion, I'm sure it is somewhat scary being in Kerry's shoes...

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i have to think though... if he just would have asked kerry about his feelings on battlestar galactica, none of this would have happend.
Oh, well absolutely... better yet tell Kerry he should have molded his campaign based on BG.
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i have to think though... if he just would have asked kerry about his feelings on battlestar galactica, none of this would have happend.


it is, after all, the most politically brilliant show in the history of the whole universe.

was the student Palestinian?
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Though Kerry didn't see everything that was happening, the fact that the police forcibly removed the guy while he was asking a question that Kerry was willing to answer seems like enough for Kerry to have responded with something stronger. He may not have anticipated the student getting tasered but he must have known that just removing the guy was way off.

But I agree with U2Democrat that Kerry shouldn't be the main focus of criticism.
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he shouldn't, but he is part of the problem... as are all those who i named before, neither of whom do i think would have spoken up if put in the same situation.
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