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Old 06-30-2006, 12:24 PM   #1
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"truth, justice, and all that stuff ..."

so Superman is back, but he's gone from "truth, justice, and the American way" to something far more international ...

[q]Superman eschews longtime patriot act

By Tatiana Siegel

Nevermind Superman's sexual orientation. Here's another identity-related question that is likely to spark controversy as the Man of Steel soars into theaters nationwide this Fourth of July weekend in Warner Bros. Pictures' "Superman Returns": Is Superman still American?

Ever since artist Joe Shuster and writer Jerry Siegel created the granddaddy of all comic book icons in 1932, Superman has fought valiantly to preserve "truth, justice and the American way." Whether kicking Nazi ass on the radio in the '40s or wrapping himself in the Stars and Stripes on TV during the Cold War or even rescuing the White House's flag as his final feat in "Superman II," the Krypton-born, Smallville-raised Ubermensch always has been steeped in unmistakable U.S. symbolism.

But in the latest film incarnation, scribes Michael Dougherty and Dan Harris sought to downplay Superman's long-standing patriot act. With one brief line uttered by actor Frank Langella, the caped superhero's mission transformed from "truth, justice and the American way" to "truth, justice and all that stuff."

"The world has changed. The world is a different place," Pennsylvania native Harris says. "The truth is he's an alien. He was sent from another planet. He has landed on the planet Earth, and he is here for everybody. He's an international superhero."

In fact, Dougherty and Harris never even considered including "the American way" in their screenplay. After the wunderkind writing duo ("X2: X-Men United") conceived "Superman's" story with director Bryan Singer during a Hawaiian vacation, they penned their first draft together and intentionally omitted what they considered to be a loaded and antiquated expression. That decision stood throughout the 140-day shoot in Australia, where the pair remained on-set to provide revisions and tweaks.

"We were always hesitant to include the term 'American way' because the meaning of that today is somewhat uncertain," Ohio native Dougherty explains. "The ideal hasn't changed. I think when people say 'American way,' they're actually talking about what the 'American way' meant back in the '40s and '50s, which was something more noble and idealistic."

While audiences in Dubuque might bristle at Superman's newfound global agenda, patrons in Dubai likely will find the DC Comics protagonist more palatable. And with the increasing importance of the overseas boxoffice -- as evidenced by summer tentpoles like "The Da Vinci Code" -- foreign sensibilities can no longer be ignored.

"So, you play the movie in a foreign country, and you say, 'What does he stand for? -- truth, justice and the American way.' I think a lot of people's opinions of what the American way means outside of this country are different from what the line actually means (in Superman lore) because they are not the same anymore," Harris says. "And (using that line) would taint the meaning of what he is saying."

But for Superman purists looking for a nod to the big blue Boy Scout's nationalistic loyalties, he is still saving Americans, albeit many with suspiciously Aussie accents. He foils Lex Luthor's nefarious plan to send millions from the nation's heartland to a watery death. And in his most impressive scene, the hero saves the day while a plane hurtles toward a baseball stadium full of fans enjoying America's pastime. Although there is no indication that it is an American baseball game depicted, the scene was one of the few shot on U.S. soil, at Dodger Stadium.

Nevertheless, the long-standing member of the Justice League of America seems to have traded in his allegiance to the flag for an international passport.

"He's here for humanity," Dougherty says.

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/thr..._id=1002764635

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has being an American become a source of shame? has the American image been so tarnished over the past 6 years (or longer) that it's now a liability? has America itself spawned a backlash against herself?
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No. I don't think so. People are in a phase where it's cool to Hate the word America or in general America herself. If Bryan Singer is going to do that to a Character that is beloved by millions, he should have stuck with X-men.
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Yeah, I noticed that omission when I saw the movie on Weds.

I don't know that it's that big a deal. I think it had less to do with America's tarnished image, but perhaps a more "politically correct" sensibility where the "American way" shouldn't be any "better" than the "Chinese way" or the "British way" or. . ."the African way." Today, Superman understands that there are good people in ALL countries. . .he's about the "human way" or the "way of the world."

"Truth, Justice, and the Way of the World" Yeah.

Obviously I'm being a bit tongue in cheek.

I don't think they had to take it out. I don't think anyone needs to get all riled up about the fact that they did.

But of course people will.
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I'm laughing too hard to make a sensible response. I'll try later.
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I noticed right away that they left out American way, but I didn't think twice about it other than that-Superman in that outfit was too distracting

I still don't believe being American is a source of shame, in spite of all the shame I have about certain things that have transpired-and frankly our President.

Maybe they just didn't want the movie to be some rah rah movie in that way and I think it's likely it was a PC thing and not some grand statement.
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I think this is good. Things have changed, and Superman shouldn't be confined to one nationality.
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i think Superman is *so* on his way to Gitmo where he's going to be waterboarded.
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i think Superman is *so* on his way to Gitmo where he's going to be waterboarded.
Nah, all they need is a piece of kryptonite and he'll sing.
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I think this is good. Things have changed, and Superman shouldn't be confined to one nationality.
Do we even have any record that he is a U.S. citizen? He was born on Krypton right?

And I know this is a bit off-topic, but has Superman ever been sued because "he didn't save ME?"
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Do we even have any record that he is a U.S. citizen? He was born on Krypton right?

And I know this is a bit off-topic, but has Superman ever been sued because "he didn't save ME?"
There's no evidence that Superman has ever been a U.S. citizen.
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There's no evidence that Superman has ever been a U.S. citizen.
If I were Lex Luthor, I'd simply demand that he'd work beneath minimum wage or threaten to have him deported for being an illegal alien.
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And I know this is a bit off-topic, but has Superman ever been sued because "he didn't save ME?"


ever see "The Incredibles"?






(actually, i watched it on TV a week or so ago, and it's amazing just how good that movie is, from top to bottom, a great film)
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Nah, all they need is a piece of kryptonite and he'll sing.


and if Superman is the defender of American citizens, and Kryptonite poses a danger to Superman, then Kryptonite poses a danger to American citizens, so therefore we must invade Krypton and remove this weapon of Superman's destruction.
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More like an individuals way
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