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Old 06-30-2006, 05:35 PM   #16
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More like an individuals way
"W supports torture."

Say it out loud.

Speak the truth,
at least once a day.
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I've seen the movie...and I think someone is trying to stir up controversy where none exists.

Also, I've heard Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel were Canadians!
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and if Superman is the defender of American citizens, and Kryptonite poses a danger to Superman, then Kryptonite poses a danger to American citizens, so therefore we must invade Krypton and remove this weapon of Superman's destruction.

No need--Krypton destroyed itself!


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"W supports torture."

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I am saying it was those individuals who did that to fellow human beings.
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deep, Justin, give it a break.

Anyhow I agree with maycocksean (and the kryptonite quip... ), this probably has more to do with the "globalization" of Superman than anything else. Which does mean you can't assume "American way" as an unproblematic, universally accepted shorthand for the pursuit of freedom, justice, strong civic-mindedness and "all that stuff" in quite the same fashion as you used to. And really, for all its noble intentions and inspiring principles, there was also quite the dose of arrogance and presumptiveness in the old formulation, anyhow. In real life people who are convinced they're destined to lead the way have a tendency to step on everyone else's toes in their sprint to the front of the line.
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if Al Gore were our president, it would still be "truth, justice, and the American way."

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*waits for nightmarish photoshop of Al Gore in Superman outfit to be posted*
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if Al Gore were our president, it would still be "truth, justice, and the American way."

Because he is a democrat and Democrats are better. Truth, Justice and Mother Natures way.

You cannot possibly say that especially if he were president and had to deal with 9/11. He would have been pressured by the same folks.

I could see Al dressed as Captain Planet for Halloween every year.
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Because he is a democrat and Democrats are better. Truth, Justice and Mother Natures way.

You cannot possibly say that especially if he were president and had to deal with 9/11. He would have been pressured by the same folks.

I could see Al dressed as Captain Planet for Halloween every year.


it was a joke
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I've seen the movie...and I think someone is trying to stir up controversy where none exists.

Also, I've heard Joe Shuster and Jerry Siegel were Canadians!
Joe Shuster was Canadian, Jerry Siegel wasn't.
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has being an American become a source of shame? has the American image been so tarnished over the past 6 years (or longer) that it's now a liability? has America itself spawned a backlash against herself?
Far being a source of shame (despite continuing societal flagellation regarding our self-worth as a country), the term “American Way” has been so politicized for a couple of generations that the current crowd of movie goers would not understand the context of the phrase as originally used in Superman. With prominent groups like the “People for the American Way” trumpeting their own political agenda, it is not hard to understand why producers felt a need to back away from the phrase.

And Al Gore saving the "American Way"?
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Considering the word "American" has been tarnished with far-right jingoism, I find it to be unsurprising that Hollywood has developed a distate for the phrase.

Conservatives insist on calling all liberals "treasonous" and "unpatriotic." Well, perhaps you can call it a self-fulfilling prophesy, much in the same way the word "family" has become synonymous with "fascism" these days.

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Way off topic, I could care less about Superman or his american way, but I noted that some of the blurb about the new movie had him returning to his home planet of Krypton to see if there was still life there.

Which makes no sense to me, as my fairly clear memories of the 1978 Superman story were that the planet EXPLODED just before the baby Superman's craft sped to safety. There's no there, there, Superman!

It's surreal! The train is going into the fireplace and the watches are melting.
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Old 06-30-2006, 11:39 PM   #30
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Things have changed
You can say that again. The Daily Planet of the 40's never printed classified information about The Manhattan Project, breaking the Nazi Enigma Code or rumors of a June invasion somewhere in France in which "high-placed sources" predict tens of thousands of American soldiers may die.

To be fair, neither did the New York Times of the 40's. Oh my, how things have changed.
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