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Re: kiwilad's post, I'm more than happy to engage with Trump supporters if they're willing to hear me out. I have seen some people, though, that I really don't think will ever listen to facts or reason.
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I can't wait for when Trump announces he is going to build the wall himself. Using his own hands, with nobody else to help him. That would make for a good reality TV show.
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The 'wall' will never be built. It would be a scheme on a par with the Great Wall of China, and America doesn't do that kind of work anymore.
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The harsh reality seems to be that the majority Trump vote lacks an intellectual basis. It's post-fact and emotion based. There is no intellectual discussion to be had. Actually, people attempting an intellectual discussion are considered elitist and out of touch. This is not just a USA / Trump thing, btw. The cocktail of false entitlement, racism and a preference to ignore facts is running rampant globally. I do believe 50 millions Americans want the reality of a Trump presidency as this is apparently in line with the state mankind is in.
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But if you're right, I mean really, that's the sort of climate that leads to catastrophe. And I'm a pretty rational chap but that's what's scaring me.
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Yes, it is scary.
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Trump is a billion... dollars in debt.
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Where does wanting black people to pull up their pants, know their place and help themselves fall on the Orgeporgie Scale of Racism?
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It doesn't matter, are they offending the working class white men? I find it hilarious that the party that use to embrace John Wayne machismo and mockingly use buzzwords like "safeplace" are now the ones always playing victim, are offended by a channel no one watches anymore, and elected a thin skinned man-child. Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
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Trump General Discussion IV: Unpresidented! Very sad!
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Good idea. We'll need another white person to tell us how racist this actually is so they can explain to the black people whether or not they're being discriminated against on the basis of race.
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Using the scale nobody rated higher than a 4 (no seriously, I really rated them based on the scale)... so none of those people are racist! America is great again!
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Most of them will come around and disavow Trump much the same way they do W Bush. You try to find a Republican who is proud to admit he was a Bush voter and thinks of his 8-years in office as a positive thing. Crickets. These are the exact same people who until the day that Obama was elected praised Bush and trashed the opposition. Then they became more concerned with the black radical in office. The same will happen with Trump - his supporters are currently pumped up due to their victory, many of them have a serious and pathological hatred of Hillary Clinton that spans decades so they are on cloud nine. But as we know, time waits for no man, and when they slowly start to figure out that their jobs aren't coming back, their tax dollars are paying for a wall and ain't no Mexico reimbursing them, the millionaires playing with their toys in the stock market are getting off like bandits, the Supreme Court still hasn't outlawed abortion, and young black yoots are still wearing saggy pants, well the chickens will come home to roost. Trump's entire platform is not just a lie, but an impossible lie. He factually cannot have a successful presidency AND at the same time deliver on his promises. You can't at the same time have a booming economy and 40% tariffs on imports. Just one example of many. It is even possible, though highly unlikely, that he could be a successful President (lol) who progresses the country forward but to do so, he will have to abandon all his talking points. So he's going to fail here, there or in both places. It's really just a matter of time. In short, this whole "how do I talk to them" is really a huge waste of time. They'll figure it out in their own time, when they see it with their own eyes. Anything coming from you is like poison to them.
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Since this thread is for a general discussion of the soon to be President Trump as the President Obama threads were, it does not seem appropriate to have the thread title labeled with an opinion.
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Can we please get off the hypocrisy high horses? Thank you. It wasn't even an 'opinion' :facepalm:
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In the context of our discussion I was challenged to address what the GOP could do better in terms of Racism, Sexism, Homophobia. Acting as defense attorney I argued that the prevailing viewpoint within FYM that the GOP is fueled by the worst elements historic ugliness (Nazism, KKK) is overblown. Let's keep this in context, that I know my audience and you know me to defend unpopular positions in a thoughtful manner. I.E. The meaning of an article about the Confederate Flag. If I were presenting the argument to a different jury I may start out with a greater sense of Empathy, acknowledging the challenges faced by those who are victims of racism. Knowing I had a lot of material to cover I just jumped right into my argument. My thoughts were overdue. For months I have been grouped in with racists, etc. in comments by association with my choice in candidate. I built up an immunity to it. The Trump movement I was a part of included many diverse voices that I followed on Social Media. Despite insensitive statements by Trump himself, his campaign had one of the most free thinking diverse followings of any GOP candidate. This is the movement That I see and try to present to the forum as a ambassador. To that point I've only been mocked when trying to point this out to FYM in the past. Presenting the MTV video was an experiment on my part. It was panned on social media even by liberals as a tone deaf hot mess. Some saying the snarkiness of the video is in a reflection of the attitude that helped get Trump elected. Many people became 'woke' that they did not want to be talked down to by liberals. The fact that everybody sees nothing wrong with the video shows how big of a worldview gap we may have. On an analytical side, the Democrats are not listening to their moderates like Tim Ryan of Ohio. Instead liberal stalwarts like Schumer and Pelosi stand at a podium with a "Make America Sick Again" poster to fight the repeal of Obamacare. The headwinds are in the face of the hyper-liberal Obama agenda and they don't realize the bad optics are pushing the party backwards. Both in the congressional battlefield and the court of public opinion. Another C-List celebrity video came out urging congress to stump Trump at every turn. It's even groan-inducing even on the left. Richard Schiff and Jeffrey Wright are not going to prevent anything. At a certain point the celeb angle is tiresome. They are real digging in deep right now. Assuming Trump does not implode, what steps should the Democrat party take get back many of the voters that have left the party before the 2018 midterms? Sent from my iPhone using U2 Interference
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