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Old 12-05-2016, 06:58 PM   #91
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I'm thinking at some point you might actually understand where I'm coming from? I have my valid reasons for not being a fan of BMP's posting on this board.


I know what you are saying, but I don't think you're the last word on these things.
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coincidence ?

Would you like it if I instead decided to politicize your affiliation with the US armed forces, even if they weren't political? And what if you had some buddies that were shot and killed by bad guys, and I used them as a false means of a political device?

Donald Trump is why your friends are dead, buddy.

How does an irrational statement like that make you feel? Because that's what that statement makes me feel like.

P.S., my comment was sarcastic. Vitriol. Interference buzzword.
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You're acting as if you didn't just lose the election by 2.5m votes.
I plead the 12th Amendment.
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So now Trump is conducting foreign policy on Twitter, and badly.

Fuck, we are all going to die.


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I never said it was all about racism, this all or nothing tactic is getting stale. Nor did I say all his voters were racists. And yes I think these labels get thrown about too much.

BUT racism was used in his platform, Bannon IS a racist, and if it weren't for these voters he would not have won.

Why did the Klan make Trump their first first major party endorsement in decades? Why do the white nationalists find him to be an ally? And why did Trump never denounce any of it?

Don't worry about labels right now. Why did he court these people? Why did he need them?

And why was it not an issue for all of his non-racist supporters? Were you just willing to ignore it because some of the other issues were important to you?


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You have your head in the sand if you think this is all about racism. I respect you as a free thinking individual. You must acknowledge that is the Democrat party that has enjoy playing the "Identity" game by isolating groups and using fear tactics to keep them voting blue. The Media and the Left concoct new terms like "marginalized" and in September started using the label "Alt-Right" as an all encompassing hate ideology. Alt-Right in European circles may be indicative of Nativist parties in Austria and Germany. That's where I first heard the term several years ago.



Was Brexit Alt-Right? Was Farage racist?



The Alt-Right pushback stateside, before it was labeled as such was the Trump supporters versus the GOP establishment machine. Breitbart, Hannity, Rush were all on the Trump Train in the spirit of taking down the system.



Hillary gave that Alt-Right speech in September and suddenly the whole movement became The Fourth Reich in the eyes of the left.



The labeling and desire of the left to compartmentalize groups of people has backfired. The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas. Is this because everybody else became Alt-Right racists all of a sudden? No.



The Left/Media has doubled down and continue to blame these 'racist' voters as the reason Hillary lost. This labeling only makes people more pissed off and drives them away from the Democratic Party and they are willing to give Trump a chance.



The Democratic party had a chance to course-correct and replace Pelosi with Tim Ryan [a young blue collar Democrat from Youngstown, OH]. They stuck with Pelosi. Sure she can fundraise the shit out of Napa Valley Liberals, but it won't win you back seats.



Do you want to talk strategy/current events or just keep harping on racism?



You keep saying the fact that I can't see things is downright scary. Maybe my eyes are wide open and have a better understanding of the current dynamics at play in the country than you.

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deep's point is that the Orlando shooter's father has way more of a tangible tie to the HRC campaign than David Duke does to the Trump campaign
Except the notable difference is that asshole isn't representative of a group that's been emboldened by the president-elect, he's just a lone asshole, somebody that the left would roundly decry.

Trump, meanwhile, has a guy from Breitbart who's been known to stir up the xenophobic, racist, sexist elements of the right as part of his administration now. Members of the KKK held parades after Trump won the election. Before the election, there were militia members talking about holding armed rallies in D.C. if Hillary had won.

We're not talking about one random idiot here when it comes to Trump. There is a seriously scary element of the population getting a larger voice now because of Trump's behavior and attitudes towards women, black people, Hispanics, Muslims, etc. throughout the campaign, and since becoming president-elect. People have valid reason to be deeply troubled by and concerned about it. And I really do not get how you and other Trump supporters can keep dismissing that as no big deal.

And putting aside the above concerns, how are you not bothered by the fact that it's been made abundantly clear from everyone who's met with Trump thus far to plan his transition to the White House that he literally does not seem to have any understanding of the job he's about to take on? They keep talking about how he's "surprised" at just how hard this job is, we keep hearing stories about him doing all these questionable things (like taking a call with Taiwan), or showing total ignorance of certain policies. He's spending more time getting into stupid arguments (and with people who weren't even targeting him at that-see the 'Hamilton' situation) than he is actually taking his job seriously.

What on earth makes you think he's honestly capable of doing this job based off what we've seen since his win last month? How can you look at his behavior since he's won and NOT realize the huge mistake you've just made?
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Y The Democratic party is an endangered species outside of metropolitan areas.
Good luck winning elections in 20, 40, 50 years with your white rural vote.
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Pfft, endangered outside of metropolitan areas??? The same dems who consistently have more voters? The same metropolitan areas that grow faster than rural areas?


The same reason why states like Texas and Georgia are losing their stronghold red status.
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Good luck winning elections in 20, 40, 50 years with your white rural vote.


The demographics are flipping. Don't expect you to realize that because the liberals are so out of touch. Trump wouldn't have won if it weren't for significantly out performing with African americans and hispanics.
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Pfft, endangered outside of metropolitan areas??? The same dems who consistently have more voters? The same metropolitan areas that grow faster than rural areas?


The same reason why states like Texas and Georgia are losing their stronghold red status.


Texas going blue or even purple is a liberal wet dream. Won't happen.
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The demographics are flipping. Don't expect you to realize that because the liberals are so out of touch. Trump wouldn't have won if it weren't for significantly out performing with African americans and hispanics.

I dunno if you've actually looked at the results. But Trump won on margins practically everywhere outside of Ohio. It means he launched a damn good campaign, or Clinton did a shit campaign. Very likely both.

Your notion that the demographics are flipping... entirely unfounded. What supports that? Is there a trend? Can you provide me results from several elections to indicate that demographics are indeed shifting? Cmon. Show us your skills.
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black people, Hispanics, Muslims

Trump out performed Romney with African-Americans [15% African-American men], Latinos, and tripled the Muslim support Romney had.

Maybe these folks care about security and economic opportunity rather than being told by the media that Trump doesn't like them.
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Oh what's that? Population is receding in red areas and booming in blue areas? Color me shocked. Who would've thought... urban centers are where population growth occurs. Strange.
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Would you like it if I instead decided to politicize your affiliation with the US armed forces, even if they weren't political? And what if you had some buddies that were shot and killed by bad guys, and I used them as a false means of a political device?

Donald Trump is why your friends are dead, buddy.

How does an irrational statement like that make you feel? Because that's what that statement makes me feel like.

P.S., my comment was sarcastic. Vitriol. Interference buzzword.
Whatever makes you happy, i guess.
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Trump out performed Romney with African-Americans [15% African-American men], Latinos, and tripled the Muslim support Romney had.
Wow. Some people from both groups voted for him. Great. That doesn't negate the fact that there's still plenty of people from both groups who can't stand him. Trump performed well with white women, too. Doesn't negate his shitty behavior towards them, or the fact that many women, myself included, are bothered by the way he treats them.

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Maybe these folks care about security and economic opportunity rather than being told by the media that Trump doesn't like them.
Newsflash: you can talk about national security and economic opportunity without blaming an entire race/ethnic group for the ills of the country. You can talk about immigration reform without calling Mexicans rapists and druggies. You can talk about terrorism without suggesting a freaking vetting process and registry for Muslims, or suggest banning them altogether from this country. You can talk about the economic struggles people are facing without calling poor/working class people lazy moochers, or implying that immigrants are "taking our jobs" (while simultaneously calling them lazy freeloaders. I'm always curious how somebody can be a lazy freeloader and work at the same time, but whatever). There are plenty of ways to address those issues that don't involve treating people of different races or ethnicities like shit in the process.

The bottom line is that Trump spent years hounding Obama about his birthplace, and spent years pulling the birther bullshit, which is racism of the highest order. The bottom line is that he bragged about groping women without their consent, and sees nothing wrong with insulting and demeaning women on a daily basis. The bottom line is that he thinks banning or heavily vetting an entire religious group is somehow a logical way to solve our terrorism problem (still waiting for a Trump supporter to explain to me how vetting Muslims from other countries will help protect us from the terrorists we've had who were born and raised in this country).

That is a hideous way to treat the people you've sworn to serve. And he won because a lot of people, for some bizarre reason, think the way he treated those people was a good idea. There were other reasons they voted for him, yes, but you cannot deny that the racism, sexism, and xenophobia played a role. You just can't.

And again, I will remind you of Trump's open ignorance about the job he's about to take on that I mentioned earlier, the lack of preparation and understanding of what the presidency entails. What are your thoughts on that? If you're willing to overlook the racist/sexist/xenophobic stuff, are you willing to overlook his "This job is way more work than I thought it would be!" attitude, too? Is there ANYTHING about his upcoming presidency, his understanding of the presidency, etc. that concerns you?
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