Trump General Discussion

[bono_212]

Sorry, out of time to go further. I'm not looking for an apology, I'm looking for you to admit that your vote just made a lot of Americans less safe and to be clear about who you just put into power.

Of all the things I'm uncertain of, one thing I know for sure is you won't yet that.

 

[Irvine511]

Of all the things I'm uncertain of, one thing I know for sure is you won't yet that.

Oh absolutely. It's like asking gun nuts to admit that their love of guns is more important than the lives of first graders.

 

[BVS]

Western civilization is going through what I call an "anti-Marxian" revolution. Marx claimed that socialism, communism, etc would take over western culture once people became so sick of capitalism they would beg for it. The reverse has happened. People are so sick and tired of this globalist, big government mess that they're now taking back they're government and are purging liberalism. Liberals are the minority in this country and it is showing it's head. It has no leadership, it has no direction and it has no future.

THIS is why I am leaving FYM for awhile. I had to delay my vacation to explain and this post enraged me, because absolutely not one damn sentence makes sense. Intelligent conservatives are rolling their eyes and in their graves. THIS and Mrs G who can't see the difference between language and assault is low information. Not one sentence has truth to it.

Trump won, but with no majority and only a 1/4 of eligible voters, that doesn't say a damn thing, it says absolutely nothing about who is the majority in this country. And you can't keep using liberalism and globalism interchangeably, just STOP, it's pure ignorance. Reagan is often considered one of the grandfathers of globalism. Without globalism you wouldn't have that smartphone in your hand. Put it to use and look up something factual.


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[anitram]

Western civilization is going through what I call an "anti-Marxian" revolution. Marx claimed that socialism, communism, etc would take over western culture once people became so sick of capitalism they would beg for it. The reverse has happened. People are so sick and tired of this globalist, big government mess that they're now taking back they're government and are purging liberalism. Liberals are the minority in this country and it is showing it's head. It has no leadership, it has no direction and it has no future.

Let me get this straight.

People who voted for Trump in the rust belt are so sick of "big government". But rather than going out there and taking some personal responsibility (which ya'all conservatives love to point to all the time), they want this same big government that they allegedly hate to come in and force capitalist businesses to re-open factories and force them to employ people rather than rely on automation and force them to become less competitive in the global marketplace.

How is it that you don't see that what they want is actually the definition of anti-capitalist?

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Just admit you're a fash, bobsaget.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

Let me get this straight.

People who voted for Trump in the rust belt are so sick of "big government". But rather than going out there and taking some personal responsibility (which ya'all conservatives love to point to all the time), they want this same big government that they allegedly hate to come in and force capitalist businesses to re-open factories and force them to employ people rather than rely on automation and force them to become less competitive in the global marketplace.

How is it that you don't see that what they want is actually the definition of anti-capitalist?

That would be incorrect. If anything it's a desire to return to previous decades, but to suggest that is 'anti-capitalist' in anyway is off the mark. And you can take it from me.

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

Wow, sports metaphors. Because that's what this is if your life isn't actually on the line. He said Mexicans coming to this country were murderers and rapists. And that a judge wasn't capable of hearing his case because of his Mexican heritage. And he's surrounded by actual white supremacists.

Maybe you need to cool on the victim card 24/7. You posted elsewhere that you have a great job and live in a flashy neighborhood, and your household is dual income no kids so you have all of this money and freedom, etc. You seem to brag about these things a lot, which is fine, if that is something you like to do. If you look outside of your comfort zone there are people who want to take all of these things from you, and just maybe we will finally have strong enough leadership to put a stop to that.

When TRUMP said that line about Mexicans, he didn't say it was all of them, though he was correct there are some people coming into this country who are murderers and rapists. Your side just happens to excel at hysteria and painting everyone unlike yourself with a broad brush.

1. No evidence Sanders would have done better

It's kind of a moot point since the DNC was clearly working against him which is very anti-democracy since he was clearly the people's choice and not the establishment's choice. Party over country.

2. I'm more scared of white American men with guns than I am of Muslims. I am much, much more likely to be killed by one of you than I am by a terrorist (and I live in a city that is a terror target). Trump is who ISIS (and Russia and the KKK) want in office.

"One of you" what the hell does that even mean? is that a racist comment because you don't like native americans or is it you don't like veterans, or both?

Sorry, out of time to go further. I'm not looking for an apology, I'm looking for you to admit that your vote just made a lot of Americans less safe and to be clear about who you just put into power.

Yeah you won't be getting any such admission from me. As a veteran i have been in the business of keeping this country safe since 1989, and i take my oath and duty to heart. GOD BLESS AMERICA!

The point about being "conned" is that you didn't vote for, nor are you going to get, what it is you said you voted for.

The point is i voted for TRUMP and im getting TRUMP, so i am getting what i voted for. You voted for HRC, one of the most corrupt politicians of our lifetime, or perhaps ever. And now you are getting TRUMP as well, perhaps you were conned.

 

[Mrs. Garrison]

THIS is why I am leaving FYM for awhile. I had to delay my vacation to explain and this post enraged me, because absolutely not one damn sentence makes sense. Intelligent conservatives are rolling their eyes and in their graves. THIS and Mrs G who can't see the difference between language and assault is low information. Not one sentence has truth to it.

Trump won, but with no majority and only a 1/4 of eligible voters, that doesn't say a damn thing, it says absolutely nothing about who is the majority in this country. And you can't keep using liberalism and globalism interchangeably, just STOP, it's pure ignorance. Reagan is often considered one of the grandfathers of globalism. Without globalism you wouldn't have that smartphone in your hand. Put it to use and look up something factual.


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low information is your wheelhouse

 

[Diemen]

Knock it off.

 

[BEAL]

So what's the excuse gonna be if/when Trump doesn't build a wall?

Doesn't stop every Islamic terrorist?

Doesn't repeal Obamacare?

Then what?


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[Irvine511]

Maybe you need to cool on the victim card 24/7. You posted elsewhere that you have a great job and live in a flashy neighborhood, and your household is dual income no kids so you have all of this money and freedom, etc. You seem to brag about these things a lot, which is fine, if that is something you like to do. If you look outside of your comfort zone there are people who want to take all of these things from you, and just maybe we will finally have strong enough leadership to put a stop to that.

When TRUMP said that line about Mexicans, he didn't say it was all of them, though he was correct there are some people coming into this country who are murderers and rapists. Your side just happens to excel at hysteria and painting everyone unlike yourself with a broad brush.



It's kind of a moot point since the DNC was clearly working against him which is very anti-democracy since he was clearly the people's choice and not the establishment's choice. Party over country.



"One of you" what the hell does that even mean? is that a racist comment because you don't like native americans or is it you don't like veterans, or both?



Yeah you won't be getting any such admission from me. As a veteran i have been in the business of keeping this country safe since 1989, and i take my oath and duty to heart. GOD BLESS AMERICA!




The point is i voted for TRUMP and im getting TRUMP, so i am getting what i voted for. You voted for HRC, one of the most corrupt politicians of our lifetime, or perhaps ever. And now you are getting TRUMP as well, perhaps you were conned.

"My side" excels at hysteria? This from the "Merry Christmas" freak-out-about-a-Starbucks-cup crowd?

Don't ever tell me about the victim card. People like Mike Pence have the power and ability to reduce my (apparently) money making bragging ass and reduce me to a "choice" that requires conversion therapy and people can deny me a hotel at the inn or my marriage license or a seat at the counter or a hospital visit. That's the fear. That no matter what I do, or who I am, I can be reduced to a faggot and discarded as such. THESE are the people who want to take something from me. Not Mexicans, not Muslims, not anyone else. I vote for the working classes, for the urban poor, for people less fortunate than I. I vote against the Donald Trumps of the world.

You voted for a man who makes Putin and ISIS happy. You have been conned. We are less safe because of your vote.

 

[Diemen]

Also, regarding "corrupt" Hillary: if you are really concerned about corruption, what do you have to say about Trump's corruption? He used charity funds to purchase paintings of himself for his own properties, paid $25K to a state AG who just happened to drop her investigation into Trump University after the donation, he's a proud tax dodger, has admitted to stiffing contractors and small businessmen who did work for him.

That doesn't doesn't raise your corruption spidey senses?

 

[Irvine511]

Also, regarding "corrupt" Hillary: if you are really concerned about corruption, what do you have to say about Trump's corruption? He used charity funds to purchase paintings of himself for his own properties, paid $25K to a state AG who just happened to drop her investigation into Trump University after the donation, he's a proud tax dodger, has admitted to stuffing contractors and small businessmen who did work for him.

That doesn't doesn't raise your corruption spidey senses?

Hillary sent emails and is a bitch. The end.

 

[bobsaget77]

Maybe you need to cool on the victim card 24/7. You posted elsewhere that you have a great job and live in a flashy neighborhood, and your household is dual income no kids so you have all of this money and freedom, etc. You seem to brag about these things a lot, which is fine, if that is something you like to do. If you look outside of your comfort zone there are people who want to take all of these things from you, and just maybe we will finally have strong enough leadership to put a stop to that.

When TRUMP said that line about Mexicans, he didn't say it was all of them, though he was correct there are some people coming into this country who are murderers and rapists. Your side just happens to excel at hysteria and painting everyone unlike yourself with a broad brush.



It's kind of a moot point since the DNC was clearly working against him which is very anti-democracy since he was clearly the people's choice and not the establishment's choice. Party over country.



"One of you" what the hell does that even mean? is that a racist comment because you don't like native americans or is it you don't like veterans, or both?



Yeah you won't be getting any such admission from me. As a veteran i have been in the business of keeping this country safe since 1989, and i take my oath and duty to heart. GOD BLESS AMERICA!




The point is i voted for TRUMP and im getting TRUMP, so i am getting what i voted for. You voted for HRC, one of the most corrupt politicians of our lifetime, or perhaps ever. And now you are getting TRUMP as well, perhaps you were conned.

 

[Irvine511]

I should stop. I'm angry.

NOT BECAUSE WE "LOST," but because America died on Tuesday.

It's not a competition. We have elected an ignorant authoritarian. Truth and fact are dead. And the minority who voted for this horrible sexual assaulting man won't admit it.

 

[deep]

If she only sent emails and this whole thing is a big put-up job against her then they better appoint a special prosecutor so her name can be cleared.

 

[cobl04]

The FBI already cleared her. If a special prosecutor clears her you and all the rest of the emailz!!1! idiots are still going to complain.


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[bono_212]

The FBI already cleared her. If a special prosecutor clears her you and all the rest of the emailz!!1! idiots are still going to complain.


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Facts are meaningless.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

I should stop. I'm angry.

NOT BECAUSE WE "LOST," but because America died on Tuesday.

It's not a competition. We have elected an ignorant authoritarian. Truth and fact are dead. And the minority who voted for this horrible sexual assaulting man won't admit it.

I'm still so confused on this notion that I'm hearing from many Hillary-supporting liberals since the election.

How does America 'die'? Is there this inherent assumption that America pre-Trump is great and post-Trump America is 'dead'?

 

[LuckyNumber7]

Synopsis of every bobsaget77 post.

 

[anitram]

That would be incorrect. If anything it's a desire to return to previous decades, but to suggest that is 'anti-capitalist' in anyway is off the mark. And you can take it from me.

No, I will completely disagree with you here.

Capitalism is dynamic, it is exactly what makes the economy work. Where labour is needed evolves over time and the capitalism of previous decades as you say has evolved in such a way that their jobs are simply not needed anymore. It is completely anti-capitalist to insist on a return to prior decades when current capitalism does not support it. These workers need to find other jobs.

 

[Moonlit_Angel]

I do think some people are angry because their side didn't win. In fact some people in here spiked the football prematurely leading up to election day, and rubbed their certain "victory" in our faces and danced all around us, mocked us, even. And then when that victory didn't happen....oops! Now let's jump on the bandwagon of "you must be a racist because you voted for one" and "you are really missing the point" or "you were conned".

Since the election i have been called several things in here; poor, uneducated, low information voter, racist, idiot, dick, c__t, and so many other not very nice things.

Yes, we were ready to celebrate pre-election, because we actually had enough faith that people in this country wouldn't do something as maddeningly ridiculous as let a racist, sexist, xenophobic reality TV star who clearly started his run as president as a total vanity lark for himself, and who has a vice presidential running mate who believes in conversion therapy for gay people, become president. We actually thought people would be wise enough to let someone with actual experience run this country instead of a guy who throws temper tantrums on Twitter when he doesn't get his way and who doesn't have a damn clue about how to run this country.

How dare we actually think better of our fellow countrymen than that.

Also, I love how the Trump supporters in here are complaining about being "insulted" with the things we're saying about people who voted for him. You supported a guy who bragged about grabbing women by their genitals without their consent, who wants to ban Muslims, who called Mexicans druggies and rapists, who has an endorsement from a member of the KKK, and whose vice presidential running mate, again, BELIEVES IN CONVERSION THERAPY FOR GAY PEOPLE.

So if you feel insulted, well, I guess turnabout's fair play, then, isn't it? 'Cause your preferred candidate's made plenty of groups of people feel like total shit for the past year and a half, and apparently that didn't bother you enough to prevent you from voting for them.

I voted for a man who wants to fix ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION, and is fed up with violence caused by some illegal immigrants. If they are LEGAL citizens then what is the problem?

Because a person's legality or lack thereof doesn't have any bearing whatsoever on whether or not they're more likely to commit violent crimes, perhaps? Unless you honestly believe no legal immigrants have EVER committed violent crimes?

Because there are plenty of people who are born and raised here who commit violent crimes, too, and stopping illegal immigrants from coming in doesn't change that problem? I'm with Irvine when he talks about being far more scared of some nutjob who was born and raised here going on a mass shooting spree than I am of some immigrant, legal or illegal, coming into this country.

Because Trump's "concern" for illegal immigrants has fuck all to do with actually solving the crime problem and everything to do with stirring up mistrust and hatred against immigrants in general?

Because God forbid anyone try and show any sympathy for immigrants who cross the border illegally, who may be fleeing violent situations in their own homeland and who are more concerned about getting to a safe place right at the moment than going through all the legal channels? They'd likely happily get that part of thing sorted out over time, mind, but when one's life is on the line, it's understandable that they may just want to sneak away while they can.

Just to name a few reasons/explanations.

Muslims, as Bill Maher likes to say, own terrorism or terrorist attacks. It's true. NOT ALL MUSLIMS, but a few radicals. TRUMP does not want radical terrorists blowing up shit in this country and i agree with him.

Okay, if Muslims own terrorism/terrorist attacks, then all white men officially must own shooting sprees, since the vast majority of them are committed by white men.

Oh, it's true, NOT ALL WHITE MEN, but a few radicals. I don't want white men shooting up places in this country.

There. Fair trade?

I didn't fall for anything

Yeah, you did. Big time. Best to face the facts now before you have to deal with the rude awakening next year.

However nobody owes you an apology. This is a democracy not a funeral. You don't get a trophy for coming in second or last place, and nor should you.

THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH COMING IN SECOND PLACE. Jesus Christ. If Clinton had lost to a significantly more reasonable Republican candidate, we could've handled that.

And if you don't think people need to explain and apologize for supporting a candidate who was so openly racist, sexist, xenophobic, and whose vice presidential candidate is massively homophobic, whose stances on those issues will hurt a HELL of a lot of groups of people in this country with whatever legislation they plan to pass going forward, that just proves you really, truly don't get why people are so upset right now.

my cousin told me to grow up and get over it because "your team lost". I said, "I didn't know this was a sporting event" and she replied by telling me I was a smart ass and she hoped I could sleep at night knowing I'd degraded over half my family.

I decided not to respond. It's like, thanks...im feeling suicidally depressed right now, and you made it so much better.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

No, I will completely disagree with you here.

Capitalism is dynamic, it is exactly what makes the economy work. Where labour is needed evolves over time and the capitalism of previous decades as you say has evolved in such a way that their jobs are simply not needed anymore. It is completely anti-capitalist to insist on a return to prior decades when current capitalism does not support it. These workers need to find other jobs.

Wouldn't you just say it's a (hopeful) return to something resembling post-war social democracy/rejection of modern day neoliberalism? This is not really about the abolition of capitalism as a whole, which is what I queried in regards to your post.

 

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[anitram]

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my cousin told me to grow up and get over it because "your team lost". I said, "I didn't know this was a sporting event" and she replied by telling me I was a smart ass and she hoped I could sleep at night knowing I'd degraded over half my family.

I decided not to respond. It's like, thanks...im feeling suicidally depressed right now, and you made it so much better.

I've basically stayed off Facebook since then.

You are a very decent, kinder than I am no doubt.

I will give you a piece of advice that somebody gave me not too long ago. It may sound harsh, I was a bit taken aback by it initially but have lived on this principle since and have thrived.

You do not have to tolerate familial terrorists. They do not deserve extra deference due to genetics. The outcome may be sad but you'll be better for it in the long run.

 

[Vlad n U 2]

This is a positive development my friend.

 

[anitram]

Wouldn't you just say it's a (hopeful) return to something resembling post-war social democracy/rejection of modern day neoliberalism?

No, because nothing in their words suggests this is what they broadly want. In fact a huge swath of his voters and by many indications the most enthusiastic ones are too young to have any concept of post-war social democracy.

It's a lot simpler than that. I want my job at the factory back when I was making probably more money than the market demanded (which played a role in that factory relocating in the first place). That's when I was a real man who drove a big car and had a nice house in a nice white town. Their demands? Build a wall to keep illegal labour competition out, scrap NAFTA, force our factories back by imposing tariffs and possibly regulating/downsizing automation. All of these are anti-capitalist demands in the sense that they are wholly incompatible with the capitalism of 2016.

 

[bobsaget77]

Results before and after the electoral college heard about these riots.

 

[deep]

This is a positive development my friend.

Trump has you calling me friend

 

[BoMac]

I'm still so confused on this notion that I'm hearing from many Hillary-supporting liberals since the election.

How does America 'die'? Is there this inherent assumption that America pre-Trump is great and post-Trump America is 'dead'?

My own take on this is that the concept of American exceptionalism is now dead. This idea that America is a "shining city on a hill" is no longer. The American experiment is over, proving that no country on Earth is immune from dark forces that pop up from time to time.