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Old 05-30-2008, 01:07 AM   #16
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The magnitude of harm that their views inflict is the difference. While Wright and Robertson may be equally reprehensible the influence Robertson wields over his political allies makes his views more harmful.
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Of course not. I would never want to belong to a church where the Sunday morning sermons are about abortion or homosexuality or race or anything other than what I want to come to church for.

I don't like any pastor that makes extreme political statements, no matter which side of the aisle they are on. Whether it is Wright and his garbage or Robertson (or whoever it was) saying God caused Katrina because of a gay pride parade. Stupid statements are stupid statements, and they cause more harm than good.


we agree here.
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Old 05-30-2008, 11:34 AM   #18
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One has to wonder if this sort of rhetoric hasn't been commonplace in the Trinity church for many many years.
Quite a few of my students' families belong/belonged to Trinity. I've always been a bit surprised to discover what is said (and isn't said, for that matter) in the churches of the students I teach.
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When Obama embraces these religious leaders he is getting votes in the South Side and all he just has to deliver secular political promises. When McCain is getting endorsements from the Christian Right he has to deliver policies and nominees that blur the line between Church and State. I think that the latter is more harmful to a secular liberal democracy.
McCain would choose pro-life Justices, I'm sure. But I'm wondering what other policies McCain has proposed that would be harmful to a secular liberal democracy?
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McCain would choose pro-life Justices, I'm sure. But I'm wondering what other policies McCain has proposed that would be harmful to a secular liberal democracy?

I am less concerned about McCain's judicial picks these days

we will have even more Dems in the Senate to sidetrack any Alitos, or Clarence Thomas like picks


I do have many concerns with Obama and big Dem gains the the House and Senate
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What I hate more than anything as I get older seems to be EXTREMES.

Right/Left - IMAGINE John Lennon
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The primaries are over

the 90% vote came through, as needed to make the delegate count

so now, would be the right time ?

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(CNN) — Barack Obama resigned Saturday from his Chicago church — where controversial sermons by his former pastor and other ministers had created repeated political headaches for the frontrunner for the Democratic presidential nomination, his campaign confirmed Saturday.

Obama plans to hold a news conference
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Obama has said these men are his "Spiritual Mentors"?


What makes Obama attractive?


Is he more than a "hologram" where each person
can project their own anti-W dream candidate ?
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Political Radar: Obama Quits His Church

here is a link to an article on ABC news

the comments are interesting
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Barack Obama was for anti-white Churches before he was against them, the ad's write themselves.

That is how it looks through 2 minute youtube clips.
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Republicans were for bigotry in churches before they were against bigotry in churches.

The counter ad is just as easy
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They were never against it, and their bigotry wins votes instead of loosing them.

What looses more votes? An anti-gay ad or an anti-woman and somewhat anti-white ad?
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this does beg the question as to what abortion and the hatred of gay people ahve to do with Sunday mornings as well ... just to pick a few topics. can churches only be political if they are conservative?
Do statements about interpretations of sin constitute as political statements? Is it possible to discuss political issues without endorsing candidates? I was very uncomfortable with the sermons Huckabee preached during his presidential run, in the same way that I was uncomfortable with Obama and Clinton being invited to preach as well. I understand that African-American churches are usually more engaged from the pulpit in the socio-political affairs of the day. Have lines been crossed in this election? Is this election really any different than any other?

Melon's earlier statement about the Christian Coalition is a bit of a non sequitor -- I have no problem with Christians being mobilized according to shared values and exercising their God-given right to free assembly and free speech, so long as the speech and the assembly does not interfere with Sunday morning worship. At the same time, those lines are always blurry and should be more defined than they often are.
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