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Old 03-26-2012, 04:11 PM   #91
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My god, just reading all these cases makes me sick. How on earth did this moronic law ever passed?
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It's interesting the attack and the spin that some are putting on this story. The marijuana story means nothing to this story unless they can show he was high at the time. And the story of him going after Zimmerman doesn't seem to really add up with the 911 calls and seems fishy coming out so late.
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Yeah, I just read a thing about Zimmerman's take on it all. Even if his version was what happened, it still sounds like he started the whole thing by going after the guy in the first place. Most people would react if someone just started following them for no specific reason.
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Even if his version was what happened, it still sounds like he started the whole thing by going after the guy in the first place. Most people would react if someone just started following them for no specific reason.
I agree. Some person following you in a non police vehicle, in the dark (I'm assuming it was completely dark). That neighbor of Zimmerman's who keeps defending him on tv, he said that all that Trayvon had to do was give him his name and justify his presence there, I guess, by saying what he was doing there. Like lawyers have said on tv, you don't even have to give that info to a police officer per the US Constitution. I've had an experience being harassed by a cop while just walking down a street and I regretfully gave him my name, only because I know how some of them tend to react when you refuse to follow their "orders". Small town cops with nothing else to do.

Anyway, the whole pot thing..and apparently his Facebook page had some photos that some people are calling "menacing" that have been taken down. I know nothing about the accuracy of that. One thing I read said he had gold teeth? Apparently that makes you a thug and a criminal.

What could have avoided the whole thing was Zimmerman backing off and not following Trayvon, like he was instructed to do.
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I've been in Florida since Thursday, and thankfully have not been shot. Even while wearing my black hoodie. Phew.
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Yeah, someone at work was telling me about this pot thing last night. I have no idea what's going on with that, could someone direct me to a link, if I missed one, or please post one?
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This case is bringing out all the worst in this country. I'm afraid it's only going to get worse in regards to public reaction and divide us more.

Zimmerman should have never followed him, especially after being told it wasn't necessary. It forced a reaction from Martin, and from the sounds of it, a defensive/violent one.

That put Zimmerman back on the defensive, and by law he was within his right to shoot Martin.

I am not saying he should have shot him, I'm just saying that according to the law, Zimmerman felt he was in a position to have to defend his life, and felt it was necessary to use his gun.

That's just messed up and we haven't even brought race or the age difference into the equation.

I'm concerned that if Zimmerman isn't put away, there will be potential for race riots, and further violence.
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Yeah, someone at work was telling me about this pot thing last night. I have no idea what's going on with that, could someone direct me to a link, if I missed one, or please post one?
I don't have a link, but what I heard is that Martin was suspended from school for having pot? Not really a big deal, and just a means for those *racists* to show that Martin was a gangsta, and deserved to be shot!!

OMGZ!!! He smoked Pot!! See, he was up to no good that night!!!!!

I don't care if he smoked weed, listened to rap, had gold teeth, a million tattoos, he did nothing wrong that night to provoke Zimmerman except be a black teenager in a gated community.
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I am not saying he should have shot him, I'm just saying that according to the law, Zimmerman felt he was in a position to have to defend his life, and felt it was necessary to use his gun.

And that's why that law is so fed up. It's something about reasonably believing that your life is at stake. How do you precisely define that? It just seems so open ended and subjective to me. Since FL passed that law, "justified killings" have gone up almost threefold. That's one stat that I saw somewhere on the news. I think they've got to get rid of that law.

The police also let him leave with the clothes he was wearing, so any evidence from his clothing is gone.





From yesterday's Orlando Sentinel



With a single punch, Trayvon Martin decked the Neighborhood Watch volunteer who eventually shot and killed the unarmed 17-year-old, then Trayvon climbed on top of George Zimmerman and slammed his head into the sidewalk, leaving him bloody and battered, law-enforcement authorities told the Orlando Sentinel.

That is the account Zimmerman gave police, and much of it has been corroborated by witnesses, authorities say. There have been no reports that a witness saw the initial punch Zimmerman told police about.

Zimmerman has not spoken publicly about what happened Feb. 26. But that night, and in later meetings, he described and re-enacted for police what he says took place.

In his version of events, Zimmerman had turned around and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from behind, the two exchanged words and then Trayvon punched him in the nose, sending him to the ground, and began beating him.

Zimmerman told police he shot the teenager in self-defense.

Civil-rights leaders and more than a million other people have demanded Zimmerman's arrest, calling Trayvon a victim of racial profiling and suggesting Zimmerman is a vigilante.

Trayvon was an unarmed black teenager who had committed no crime, they say, who was gunned down while walking back from a 7-Eleven with nothing more sinister than a package of Skittles and can of Arizona iced tea.

Zimmerman's account

This is what the Sentinel has learned about Zimmerman's account to investigators:

He said he was on his way to the grocery store when he spotted Trayvon walking through his gated community.

Trayvon was visiting his father's fiancée, who lived there. He had been suspended from school in Miami after being found with an empty marijuana baggie. Miami schools have a zero-tolerance policy for drug possession.

Police have been reluctant to provide details about their evidence.

But after the Sentinel story appeared online Monday morning, City Manager Norton Bonaparte Jr. issued a news release, saying there would be an internal-affairs investigation into the source of the leak and, if identified, the person or people involved would be disciplined.

He did not challenge the accuracy of the information.

At a Monday news conference, Trayvon's mother, father and their lawyers called the report that their son was suspended from school because of a marijuana baggie irrelevant and needlessly hurtful.

Trayvon's father, Tracy Martin, said "even in death, they are still disrespecting my son, and I feel that that's a sin."

His mother, Sybrina Fulton, said, "They killed my son, and now they're trying to kill his reputation."

Supporters have held rallies in Sanford, Miami, New York and Tallahassee, calling the case a tragic miscarriage of justice.

Civil-rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton headlined a rally in Sanford on Thursday that drew an estimated 8,000 people. The Rev. Jesse Jackson on Sunday spoke at an Eatonville church, where he called Trayvon a martyr.

Zimmerman has gone into hiding. A fringe group, the New Black Panther Party, has offered a $10,000 reward for his "capture."

One-minute gap

On Feb. 26, when Zimmerman first spotted Trayvon, he called police and reported a suspicious person, describing Trayvon as black, acting strangely and perhaps on drugs.

Zimmerman got out of his SUV to follow Trayvon on foot. When a dispatch employee asked Zimmerman if he was following the 17-year-old, Zimmerman said yes. The dispatcher told Zimmerman he did not need to do that.

There is about a one-minute gap during which police say they're not sure what happened.

Zimmerman told them he lost sight of Trayvon and was walking back to his SUV when Trayvon approached him from the left rear, and they exchanged words.

Trayvon asked Zimmerman if he had a problem. Zimmerman said no and reached for his cell phone, he told police. Trayvon then said, "Well, you do now" or something similar and punched Zimmerman in the nose, according to the account he gave police.

Zimmerman fell to the ground and Trayvon got on top of him and began slamming his head into the sidewalk, he told police.

Zimmerman began yelling for help.

Several witnesses heard those cries, and there has been a dispute about whether they came from Zimmerman or Trayvon.

Lawyers for Trayvon's family say it was Trayvon, but police say their evidence indicates it was Zimmerman.

One witness, who has since talked to local television news reporters, told police he saw Zimmerman on the ground with Trayvon on top, pounding him — and was unequivocal that it was Zimmerman who was crying for help.

Zimmerman then shot Trayvon once in the chest at very close range, according to authorities.

When police arrived less than two minutes later, Zimmerman was bleeding from the nose, had a swollen lip and had bloody lacerations to the back of his head.

Paramedics gave him first aid but he said he did not need to go to the hospital. He got medical care the next day.
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This story doesn't really seem to add up. So Zimmerman who was ready to play lone ranger some how gave up and nonchalantly retreated? Only to get knocked out with one punch? And then the crying out for help; one it sounded like a much younger voice, and two it didn't sound like someone who was being sat on and being pummeled. Now I would assume with audio forensics this should be fairly simple to "prove". But then after all of this Zimmerman then has the ability to grab his gun and shoot?

We'll never know the full story, but something doesn't add up with his account. Plus wouldn't you want to release this police report and witness in order to help Zimmerman's and the Police departments case, rather than bring up pot use and gold teeth?
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Zimmerman also allegedly told police that Trayvon tried to get his gun
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Huh, that's interesting. I'm curious to see where everything goes with that information.

Again, regardless of what info comes out, Zimmerman NEVER should have pursued him, and NEVER should have been allowed to shoot him and walk away.
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Zimmerman also allegedly told police that Trayvon tried to get his gun
See this type of struggle would make much more sense but it doesn't seem to coincide with the evidence. He never said anything about a struggle for the gun. How does someone who is pinned down, crying out for help somehow win the upper hand and get the gun?
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Dan Abrams To GMA: ‘Stand Your Ground’ Was ‘Not Designed To Protect Aggressor Who Loses A Fight’ | Mediaite

On Tuesday, Mediaite founder and ABC legal analyst Dan Abrams appeared on Good Morning America to explain what impact an eye witness account of the altercation between Trayvon Martin and his shooter, George Zimmerman may have on the ongoing investigation into the shooting. Furthermore, does Florida’s “Stand Your Ground” law apply in light of this account?

Abrams warns that the witness’ account — that Martin had been beating Zimmerman on the ground — in no way decides the case. But it does provide us with “some context as to why the police possibly could have done what they did,” as well as providing “more information as to why, maybe, the police were so quick to accept Zimmerman’s story.

“The ‘Stand Your Ground’ law was not designed to protect an aggressor who starts losing a fight,” Abrams explained. “That’s not what this law is for. And that would not, I do not think, protect Zimmerman in this case. Meaning, if the facts were that Zimmerman goes after him, they get into an altercation, and let’s say that Trayvon Martin starts winning the fight, Zimmerman pulls out his gun because he’s getting scared, that’s not going to protect Zimmerman. On the other hand, what Zimmerman is claiming is, he approaches him, turns his back, Trayvon Martin attacks him. That would be a different scenario.”

“Stand Your Ground” is essentially “protection for somebody who kills somebody else.” Furthermore, he continued, under the Florida law, “if you reasonably believe — and reasonably becomes the crucial standard — reasonably believe that you are in some sort of imminent danger, then you are allowed to use deadly force, if necessary. That’s why this is so tricky.”

“I’m convinced,” he added, “that if the Florida Stand Your Ground law didn’t exist, Zimmerman already would have been charged.”
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This story doesn't really seem to add up. So Zimmerman who was ready to play lone ranger some how gave up and nonchalantly retreated? Only to get knocked out with one punch? And then the crying out for help; one it sounded like a much younger voice, and two it didn't sound like someone who was being sat on and being pummeled. Now I would assume with audio forensics this should be fairly simple to "prove". But then after all of this Zimmerman then has the ability to grab his gun and shoot?
So many assumptions. Have you heard Zimmerman scream before? Why would he not be able to scream with someone sitting on top of him? What would have stopped him from getting his gun? I'm not taking either side on this. It's fucked up that someone got shot and killed, but there is some pretty brainless assumptions coming from both sides of the fence
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