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Old 07-07-2013, 04:35 PM   #526
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Which is how social changes come about.

This case is very different from, say, Jodi Arias or Casey Anthony.
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Old 07-07-2013, 05:39 PM   #527
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This I can't understand. Someone who keeps a sidearm on him legally with a concealed carry permit in an area with a high crime rate = firearm obsession?
Yes, that equals firearm obsession, as well as all the hysteria surrounding the ownership of firearms (and any possible measures to control firearm abuse in the U.S.A.).
Why is there such a high crime rate? Does the rampant ownership and lack of control of firearms have something to do with that? Why are there concealed carry permits for (questionable) civilians? Why is there such a need to own firearms in the U.S.A.?

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I don't know if George Zimmerman is telling the truth or not. But if he is, and he didn't have his gun on him, Travon Martin could be the one sitting in the defendants chair for the murder of Zimmerman.
Or, if he didn't have his gun on him and left Travon Martin alone, there wouldn't be a trial at all. Nor a dead person.
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Yes, that equals firearm obsession, as well as all the hysteria surrounding the ownership of firearms (and any possible measures to control firearm abuse in the U.S.A.).
Why is there such a high crime rate? Does the rampant ownership and lack of control of firearms have something to do with that? Why are there concealed carry permits for (questionable) civilians? Why is there such a need to own firearms in the U.S.A.?

Only caveat to this is that the overall crime rate in the US isn't that awful, and indeed we are at historic lows not seen since the 1960s.

It's US deaths by firearms that are incredibly out of wack from every other developed nation on earth.




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Or, if he didn't have his gun on him and left Travon Martin alone, there wouldn't be a trial at all. Nor a dead person.



It's indeed possible that Zimmerman is the one yelling for help and that he felt his life was in danger.

But if he had stayed in the car -- something he might have done had he not been carrying a concealed weapon -- Trayvon would likely be alive today.

And this is what gun control advocates are often talking about -- the mere presence if a gun anywhere (home or otherwise) increases the likelihood that someone will be killed by the firearm, by accident or otherwise.

No gun, no dead unarmed teenager.
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Is carrying a gun illegal?
no.

Is following Trayvon silly?
yes

Is following Trayvon ILLEGAL?
no.

Is defending oneself illegal?
no.


Essentially, if Zimmerman's story is true, he has committed no illegal act. The only eyewitness confirms his story.

At the end of the day, Zimmerman is no more or less than a very stupid man with poor decision making abilities.
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Is carrying a gun illegal?
no.

Is following Trayvon silly?
yes

Is following Trayvon ILLEGAL?
no.

Is defending oneself illegal?
no.

Essentially, if Zimmerman's story is true, he has committed no illegal act. The only eyewitness confirms his story.

At the end of the day, Zimmerman is no more or less than a very stupid man with poor decision making abilities.
I agree with everything you just said.

Which is why he shouldn't have had a gun.
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But if he is, and he didn't have his gun on him, Travon Martin could be the one sitting in the defendants chair for the murder of Zimmerman.
Right. Because Trayvon would've beat him to death with his bare hands and a bag of Skittles.

As for defending oneself, I'm sure Trayvon would've liked to have known that the guy chasing him through his father's neighborhood had a handgun before he chose to defend himself.
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Which is why he shouldn't have had a gun.
Bingo. My guess is that he wouldn't have been playing vigilante justice in the first place if he didn't have that gun.
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Bingo. My guess is that he wouldn't have been playing vigilante justice in the first place if he didn't have that gun.

Another bingo.
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Zimmerman is going to walk, because he's not guilty of murder. There's plenty of evidence to back up his claim of self defense, and stand your ground is not even being argued in this case.

He's guilty of being reckless, he's guilty of being an idiot, having a hero complex, and probably of being a racist. But he's not gonna be found guilty of murder.

The result will likely be anger and racial unrest. The result should be a renewed fight for stricter gun control, as if Zimmerman didn't have a gun, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

But if Newtown couldn't change anything, this case sure as hell won't.
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Bingo. My guess is that he wouldn't have been playing vigilante justice in the first place if he didn't have that gun.
Must agree with Irvine - another bingo.

The idea of an armed neighborhood watch doesn't exactly sit well with me.
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That Newtown couldn't change anything is the real tragedy of the past year or two. What an absolute travesty of justice.
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That Newtown couldn't change anything is the real tragedy of the past year or two. What an absolute travesty of justice.
Can we retweet posts yet? Cause, yea... this times infinity
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I'd even say that Zimmerman isn't a racist.

But if Trayvon were white he'd be alive today.
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I'd even say that Zimmerman isn't a racist.

But if Trayvon were white he'd be alive today.

What makes you reach that conclusion?

Have you heard about how many people have been shot and killed
in Chicago the past week?

Where's the media and the attention on these tragic events?
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What makes you reach that conclusion?

Have you heard about how many people have been shot and killed
in Chicago the past week?

Where's the media and the attention on these tragic events?

Had he been white, Zimmerman's "suspicious person" alarm likely would not have gone off. And he would have stayed in the car like he was told.

Chicago is more evidence of the casual racism we see in the Trayvon case. Firstly, it is news, at least in conservative media because they're out to demonize all things Chicago. But aside from that, there's likely the soft bigotry of low expectations when it comes to urban violence.

We see this with missing person cases. If she's not blond, who cares?
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