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Old 05-19-2012, 03:23 PM   #406
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What the fuck are you talking about?
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Lost me a bit there, deep...
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:43 PM   #408
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Perhaps your only allowed to claim "Stand Your Ground" if you are armed?

Or if you survive the altercation?


Exactly.
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The official report, prepared by the medical examiner in Volusia County, Fla., also found that the 17-year-old had one other fresh injury – a small abrasion, no more than a quarter-inch in size – on his left ring finger below the knuckle.
I think that is a neutral statement and probably correct. (unless the medical examiner missed the bruised and busted knuckles that the pro Zimmerman side has been going on about lately)

I think we should try and stay away from the two sides concept as much as possible and go for correct information if want to arrive at the place we call 'justice'.
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Yeah, he was shot in the chest. If Zimmerman WAS just going for the kill shot, that wouldn't really be the best option.
What?! A chest shot is exactly where the majority would shoot.
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:55 PM   #411
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Of course it's a neutral statement. Are you having trouble following the conversation?
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Old 05-19-2012, 03:56 PM   #412
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What?! A chest shot is exactly where the majority would shoot.
It's the largest body mass. It's more of an obvious place to aim than an intended kill shot.... it could be both, but in the heat of the moment, it's probably a 'natural' place to aim. If he shot him in the head, I feel like there would've definitely been a different, obvious intent.
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It's the largest body mass. It's more of an obvious place to aim than an intended kill shot.... it could be both. If he shot him in the head, I feel like there would've definitely been a different, obvious intent.
It's also where the heart and lungs are, it's the easiest kill shot for those that aren't trained marksmen in combat. The majority of murders involving a gun are chest shots.
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It's also the biggest target. And with someone on top of you, your options are limited. Where would you have preferred him to shoot? The stomach is just as dangerous
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The majority of murders involving a gun are chest shots.
I'll have to look for stats to back this up, but I'm going to guess the majority of gunshot wounds are to the chest and abdomen
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And with someone on top of you, your options are limited. Where would you have preferred him to shoot? The stomach is just as dangerous
That's not my point, my point is just that using a chest shot as evidence that it wasn't meant to be a kill shot is pretty silly.
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That's not my point, my point is just that using a chest shot as evidence that it wasn't meant to be a kill shot is pretty silly.
But it's still fair to say it wasn't necessarily meant as one. I'm just saying intent can't be drawn in this case
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I don't completely agree with this, though I understand where you're coming from. It is possible and not all that uncommon to kill someone with your fists, especially when you're also slamming their head on the pavement. It's also possible to receive permanent brain damage to varying degrees. I knew a guy who got sucker punched outside a bar when I was younger; he fell and hit his head on the curb and was never the same person again afterward. If I was in a situation where I felt I was in this sort of danger, I would take every measure availale to make sure that doesn't happen. Does that apply to this case? I don't know
oh i know what you mean i do know of examples too where someone killed someone else solely with their fists. but also zimmerman's a bigger guy than martin and also a little older, so surely you'd imagine zimmerman would win in a fight. to me it just seems like pulling out a gun was excessive force, especially since he went chasing after martin in the first place, and then did again after he called 911.
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also a little older
Old man strength! Never to be underestimated

But you're right. If you chase after someone and end up getting the crap beaten out of you, it's your own fault
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See, I almost came in here to make a post saying that it seems more and more likely that, despite how stupid the law may be, this was sounding more and more like a case of stand your ground. Then, the ME report about the knuckles gets quoted and suddenly I'm lost on how to feel all over again. The media is spinning this out of control, and at this point, I'm just going to wait until I hear all of the evidence at trial to form an opinion I suppose.
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