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Old 05-18-2012, 11:23 PM   #361
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To me, this remains primarily a gun issue.

Guns are why small crimes become big murders.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:24 PM   #362
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Yup.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:27 PM   #363
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Edit: I thought I'd seen something that said he'd had prescription drugs in his system, but fine, if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. Doesn't matter what I say or think - I'm not on the jury.
I thought I heard on the radio that he had ADHD drugs in his system? Then again, it's talk radio, if that's not a cesspool, I don't know what is.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:28 PM   #364
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The only news I caught today was a very brief look at the home page of CNN.com, and I thought that's where I'd seen it.

Not that it really means much.
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Bottom line: there's no way this man deserves to be on trial for life in jail. If he gets convicted of second degree, it'll be a travesty.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:49 PM   #366
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Bottom line: there's no way this man deserves to be on trial for life in jail. If he gets convicted of second degree, it'll be a travesty.
Not a travesty what happened to Trayvon?

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Evidence: Trayvon Had Bruised Knuckles, Zimmerman Broken Nose

"The medical report from George Zimmerman’s family doctor after the Trayvon Martin shooting shows that Zimmerman’s nose was broken; he also had a pair of black eyes, two lacerations on the back of his head, a bruised upper lip, and a back injury. He was examined by the doctor the day after the shooting. The three-page medical report will likely be used as evidence for the defense.
Meanwhile, the Trayvon Martin autopsy shows that other than his gunshot wound, the only injury on Martin was that the skin on his knuckles was broken. Combined with the evidence from Zimmerman's medical report, the logical conclusion is that Martin was beating up Zimmerman severely before Zimmerman shot him."

Nothing but bruised knuckles, hm..?
Trayvon may have thought he had to beat this guy up in order to preserve his own life. He may have been standing his ground because he feared imminent harm. And it appears that he was right to feel that way.

I don't understand how you can find it so terribly compelling that Martin beat Zimmerman. He was being followed, he didn't know why, he was scared. . .I don't know that I would have attacked Zimmerman if it were me, but I don't see why the fact that he did so is such a smoking gun with you.
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To me, this remains primarily a gun issue.

Guns are why small crimes become big murders.
Agree wholeheartedly.

And as I'd said before, if Martin did beat up Zimmerman...well, the guy was following him for no reason. He could've, and probably should've, just gone home, but he probably felt uneasy and decided to try and get Zimmerman to back off. Many people probably would've reacted similarly if some strange guy was following them.
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Old 05-18-2012, 11:51 PM   #368
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Not a travesty what happened to Trayvon?



Trayvon may have thought he had to beat this guy up in order to preserve his own life. He may have been standing his ground because he feared imminent harm. And it appears that he was right to feel that way.

I don't understand how you can find it so terribly compelling that Martin beat Zimmerman. He was being followed, he didn't know why, he was scared. . .I don't know that I would have attacked Zimmerman if it were me, but I don't see why the fact that he did so is such a smoking gun with you.
A few minutes before shots were fired, there's a recorded 911 call from Zimmerman, saying that he's stopped following Trayvon, and doesn't know where he is. Doesn't sound like Trayvon would have any reason to fear danger.
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Perhaps your only allowed to claim "Stand Your Ground" if you are armed?

Or if you survive the altercation?
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A few minutes before shots were fired, there's a recorded 911 call from Zimmerman, saying that he's stopped following Trayvon, and doesn't know where he is. Doesn't sound like Trayvon would have any reason to fear danger.
But how does Trayvon know that Martin has stopped following him? Perhaps he was thinking, "man, what if he comes after me again. Better I get him before he gets me."

Or maybe he was just angry about being harassed and lashed out. I guess in that case he deserved to be killed then. . . .
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Judging by the EVIDENCE we have, this is what it sounds like happened, to me: Zimmerman began following Trayvon;
Trayvon noticed Zimmerman followed him, and began to run;
Zimmerman stopped following him, as the police told him to, and lost him;
Trayvon doubled back, and either confronted Zimmerman and had words, or just out and out sucker punched him;
Zimmerman feared for his life and shot.

Can this be contradicted by evidence? Would Zimmerman not be acting in self defense in this situation? If not, would he be guilty of second degree murder, in this situation?
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But how does Trayvon know that Martin has stopped following him? Perhaps he was thinking, "man, what if he comes after me again. Better I get him before he gets me."

Or maybe he was just angry about being harassed and lashed out. I guess in that case he deserved to be killed then. . . .
So Zimmerman decides to follow a 17 year old for a few blocks, I guess he deserves to be beaten to death...
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Really? It's not logical to think that being under the influence of drugs could possibly lead to making less than stellar decisions?
Really? The kid was smoking weed, not pcp
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So Zimmerman decides to follow a 17 year old for a few blocks, I guess he deserves to be beaten to death...
If Trayvon had beaten Zimmerman to death he would have been arrested on the spot. Post haste.
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this is what it sounds like happened, to me
You're filling in so much information with no evidence what so ever. There's no point pointing to the little evidence you do have
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