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Old 04-23-2012, 03:57 PM   #331
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Manslaughter is a lesser included offense to second-degree murder; there'd be nothing stopping a jury from convicting Zimmerman of the lesser charge, should they reject both his self-defense claim and the prosecution's attempt to prove murder 2. It's possible they deliberately overcharged in an attempt to bait him into a plea deal; though that's unethical, prosecutors do it all the time, often with strong approval from the community which sees it as "tough on crime."

It's also possible Zimmerman's lawyer could skip SYG altogether and just go for self-defense; while that shifts the burden of proof to the defense, it'd also offer the advantage(?) that Zimmerman wouldn't have to take the stand and submit to cross-examination.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:04 PM   #332
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yes, I agree

looking in here a bit
I had been planning on saying it is not overcharged at all

they can always end up at manslaughter.

I still say Zimmerman the minority American (Latino) is responsible for the unjustified killing of Martin the minority American.

I did see a clip of Zimmerman's court appearance, they must have dubbed it in English. He did not sound or look Latino at all.
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Old 04-23-2012, 04:26 PM   #333
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I don't see how the self-defense defense has any credulity, at least with what we know so far, and even with the latest photographic evidence.

According to the 911 tapes, Zimmerman sees a suspicious-looking Martin and decides to follow him. He calls 911, and the dispatcher tells him to cease following Martin. It appears he didn't heed the dispatcher's advice. We don't know much about what happens next.

I don't know what others might do if they were being followed. It's entirely plausible that Martin defended himself, and hit Zimmerman, causing the blood we saw in those photos. In that case, wouldn't Florida's asinine "Stand Your Ground" law kick in for Martin? Where are his rights to defend himself?

I think Zimmerman walks.
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I don't see how the self-defense defense has any credulity
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It appears he didn't heed the dispatcher's advice.
Not according to his story, though. He claims he was dutifully retreating to his vehicle when Martin returned to confront and attack him. And Corey's investigator said at the bond hearing that they have no evidence to disprove that. If you could get a jury to accept Zimmerman's claim of retreat, as well as his claims about the level of force Martin used against him, then you'd have the makings of a solid self-defense case.
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Right, I haven't been following it that closely.
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So he's raised over 200 grand through that web site but he's broke
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Really, no comments on the medical examiner's report on Mr Zimmerman's injuries.

No comments on the marijuana found in Mr Martin's bloodstream.

No comments on the surveillance video of Mr Martin buying his candy.

Have we lost interest as the narrative moves from a hate crime to a confrontation that ended with one of the parties tragically shot dead?
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I think we've already addressed the marijuana (unless there's a new story related to that that we haven't heard yet) and injuries in this thread. I haven't heard anything about the surveillance video of him buying the candy, so I can't comment on that.
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so then you make comments on them. no one's stopping you.
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I've been hearing a lot of new information lately, but hadn't heard about the surveillance video...
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No comments on the marijuana found in Mr Martin's bloodstream.
What does this have to do with anything?
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No comments on the surveillance video of Mr Martin buying his candy.
What could you possibly want someone to say? That it exists? Because there's little else to be said about it
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Really, no comments on the medical examiner's report on Mr Zimmerman's injuries.
Have you not been reading the thread?
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i just watched it but i might be missing something. granted there's obviously no audio so just going by what i could see, it looked like...someone buying iced tea and candy. he talked to the clerk so it took a little longer, but of course like i said there's no way to tell what was said. but with the body language it didn't look like there was any yelling or anything.

and as for the marijuana, what, are we buying into the myth that it makes people aggressive or something?
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The only marijuana thing I'm familiar with was the story of Martin being kicked out of school for a period over having some on him. Which most people agree has no relevance to the actual shooting incident. But if he had some in his system the night of the shooting...I don't know how that ties into the situation.

Bottom line, he wasn't armed. Zimmerman was (and has been proven to have an aggressive history). And he's an adult. Martin's a teenager. I have a problem with adults shooting teenagers, sorry.
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