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Old 04-05-2012, 04:49 AM   #241
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fact-checking baby
maybe their problem was that they were using a baby to check facts.

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I will admit when I got up this morning and checked 'new posts' ^ that made me laugh.



with so much bias these days
a baby might do better at fact-checking, except they have a bias towards boobs
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Last night the audio guy on CNN was saying he said cold. Who knows.

CNN: Expert Reports George Zimmerman Said ‘Punks’, Not Racial Slur | Mediaite
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as much as i love how the internet can bring people together for a cause, it's just making people look stupid in this case. or, at least it is on facebook. since nothing's happening with arresting zimmerman, rather than trying to rally the troops they're just suggesting people call companies that are in florida and harass them.

i mean, come on. while big companies in florida do finance the governor's elections and such, this is hardly the same as people boycotting rush's sponsors for his radio show. if 100 people call disney and whine about this, all that will be accomplished is wasting time and confusing some operators at disney, wondering why they're calling about something like that.
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Ugh. Yes. Your average employee is likely going to hang up on people who call ranting about random things that don't have much, if at all, to do with the job at hand. For all those people calling the companies know, there could be many who work at those companies who actually would AGREE with them that Zimmerman should be punished. They just work there, they don't have much control, if any, over who the heads of their company support.

It really sucks when a good idea (protesting the fact this guy hasn't been dealt with yet) leads to crap suggestions on how to get that to happen (harassing poor employees at various companies). It'd be so incredibly nice to see a protest actually be serious and accomplish something worthwhile again.
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Old 04-06-2012, 10:05 AM   #246
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yeah. i dared to suggest that everyone's energies could be better spent on contacting the governor, senators, and the local rep (i even took the time to look up who it was for the neighbourhood where martin was murdered). a couple people acted like it was just way more important to harass disney because they have florida in their back pocket. that may be so, but at the very least the next election isn't until november, and these guys bugging them isn't going to...what? make them not finance rick scott's re-election campaign...in 2014?

i can feel that these guys feel like they have to do something, and especially with all these facebook groups and such, if you don't post constant updates then your group will get neglected and no one will care anymore. but i think it'd be better to just do a trickle-up effect. start with the sanford police department and call and write letters demanding zimmerman be charged. keep everything professional and concise. if that doesn't work, try rep. mica. then try seminole county. then try senators nelson and rubio. then gov. scott. just keep working up. messing with companies that financed someone's campaign is pointless.
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I don't Facebook, but I hadn't heard anything about a campaign to harass random companies in Florida by telephone. I wonder if this is someone's garbled version of the boycott against companies belonging to ALEC, the conservative lobbying group which (among other things) promotes FL's "Stand Your Ground" law as model legislation in many other states? Because that very much is a going campaign (Pepsico, Kraft and Coca-Cola have already withdrawn from ALEC in response). But Disney Co. isn't an ALEC member so far as I know, and besides even if they were, obviously any complaints ought to be directed to their corporate headquarters in Los Angeles, not the theme park they operate in FL.



On the political front, FL state senator Chris Smith of Fort Lauderdale held an open forum Wednesday aimed at pressuring the state government to move faster on reassessing the Stand Your Ground law:

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[Sen. Smith] invited members of the public to an open forum Wednesday to express themselves on the controversial law, because he grew frustrated waiting for Gov. Rick Scott to convene the task force promised after the shooting death of 17-year-old Trayvon Martin in Sanford on Feb. 23.

Some two dozen persons spoke, from both sides of the issue--those who believe the law should stand and those convinced it should repealed. A few tried to find middle ground but for most of the participants there was no such middle ground, demonstrating the clear divide that exists in Florida over the law--even within the law enforcement community.

Arthur Jacobs, general counsel for the Prosecuting Attorneys Association, which represents all 20 state attorneys in Florida, said his organization recently voted unanimously that the law should be repealed. "It's not a thing that can be tweaked," Jacobs said. He said there was no need for the law, since self-defense was already a right before the law passed in 2005. He also said prosecutors are seeing cases where gang members and individuals involved "in drug deals gone bad" are invoking the law, after shooting rivals. "We work with it every day," Jacobs said. "We've studied it and we have decided it needs to be repealed."

But Cliff Zipnick, 54, a veteran Lake Clarke Shores police officer, took the opposite view. "I oppose any changes in the law," he said. "It will save the lives of innocents."
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I don't Facebook, but I hadn't heard anything about a campaign to harass random companies in Florida by telephone. I wonder if this is someone's garbled version of the boycott against companies belonging to ALEC, the conservative lobbying group which (among other things) promotes FL's "Stand Your Ground" law as model legislation in many other states? Because that very much is a going campaign (Pepsico, Kraft and Coca-Cola have already withdrawn from ALEC in response). But Disney Co. isn't an ALEC member so far as I know, and besides even if they were, obviously any complaints ought to be directed to their corporate headquarters in Los Angeles, not the theme park they operate in FL.
yeah, this was just basically some idiot thinking about how much disney has florida in its back pocket due to political donations, so clearly by bugging a bunch of poor operators (who would surely direct these calls to the ceo or some other important person ) this guy will get arrested.

and i agree that the law should be repealed. self-defense is already something someone can use as a reason for killing someone. the fact that people can just claim they felt threatened and no investigation is done apparently is scary, really.
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The Florida special prosecutor investigating the Trayvon Martin shooting has decided not to use a grand jury, but says that should not be considered a factor in her final determination of the case.

The office of Florida State Attorney Angela Corey announced the decision this morning in a statement, USA TODAY's Marisol Bello reports. Gov. Rick Scott appointed Corey as the special prosecutor on March 22. She said at the outset that she might well forego using a grand jury. The grand jury that had been set to convene April 10 had been called for by the former prosecutor in the case.
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"We want to believe that this would be a positive sign that the prosecutor has enough information to arrest Trayvon Martin's killer," said Benjamin Crump, an attorney for the Martin family, moments after Corey released the news. "The family is really trying hard to be patient and have faith in the system." Crump added that Corey's office would now be making the decision on whether to charge Zimmerman with a crime, USA TODAY's Yamiche Alcindor reports. He said he hoped such a decision could be made this week.
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without spending hours and hours looking into this, reading a lot of information written by people from their own points of bias

I will jump in and say I expect Zimmerman to be charged,

convicted? way too early to venture a speculation.
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If he's charged it will probably be a low grade charge that gives them a better chance for a conviction. Between the Sanford police bungling of the investigation (apparently they are pretty notorious for that), the FL law, and the contradictory eyewitnesses there isn't much of a chance of any conviction.

I just feel sad for Trayvon's parents. After all is said and done and the media has gone away they don't have their son, and they'll never know what really happened.
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Why is there even a debate about this issue? Zimmerman followed and shot Martin. He killed him, so he should be charged, and should go to jail. He fucking murdered him, and there's a goddamn debate about it! What the fuck.

This is actually the most fucked up...thing since the lead up to the Iraq war. Maybe more so. Yeah, way more.

Imagine if a black guy followed a white guy, shot him to death, and then said he was scared. I think things would have worked out a little differently.

With reality like this, who needs drugs? Well, at least with mushrooms you might have a good trip. This is just soul rotting.
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Let me ask you something, Hollow Island. Have you ever heard of a state called Florida?

That is why there is a debate.
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Another "Stand Your Ground" case, from the Tampa area--and currently pending--which I just read about this morning:


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Trevor Dooley's attorney portrayed him Wednesday as a 69-year-old man with fused discs in his neck who feared for his life when set upon by his 41-year-old neighbor, six inches taller and 70 pounds heavier. Dooley is protected by Florida's "Stand Your Ground" law, his attorney argued, firing in self-defense when the most mundane of neighbor disputes turned violent. It began on a Sunday afternoon, Sept. 26, 2010, beside a Valrico basketball court when Dooley's neighbor, David James, tried to prevent him from shooing away a skateboarder. It ended with James taking a bullet through his heart in front of his 8-year-old daughter.

In a day of anguished testimony, eyewitnesses who included the 14-year-old skateboarder consistently described Dooley as the aggressor who cursed his neighbor and flashed a pistol before a fatal struggle for the gun. The testimony offered a preview of Dooley's trial on a first-degree manslaughter charge scheduled for January if a judge doesn't dismiss the case based on his Stand Your Ground defense.

In a 911 call played Wednesday for Hillsborough Circuit Judge Ashley Moody, the skateboarder blamed himself. "It was my fault," Spencer Arthur cried to a dispatcher. "He (Dooley) got mad at me because I was skateboarding. I didn't know what the rules are. I don't live there." But testimony showed that the boy—besides James' stunned 8-year-old daughter—was the least confrontational people on the basketball court that day. Arthur, now 15, said he was visiting friends in the Twin Lakes neighborhood. He took his skateboard to the park and asked permission to practice trick moves from James, who was shooting hoops with his daughter. The only others in the park were a couple playing tennis.

But the boy then heard a voice from across the street. It was Dooley, outside his garage, shouting that he should get off the court, that there was a no-skateboarding sign. The boy stopped. He heard James call out to Dooley, "Show me the sign."

Michael Scott Whitt, practicing tennis serves nearby with his wife, Michelle, stopped to watch. They testified that Dooley briefly went into his garage, then started across the street with a dark object sticking out of his waistband. They said James threw his hands up and said, "Oh, come on." Dooley and James argued over letting the boy skate until Dooley lifted his shirt and said, "F--- you," the Whitts testified. They said Dooley turned and started home, but James caught up with him. "Mr. James said, 'Don't flash a weapon,' something like that," Michelle Whitt testified. Then, she said, Dooley pulled out the gun and James grabbed his hand. The men struggled, they fell to the ground, and James ended up on his knees as Dooley lay on his side. They still wrestled for the gun. The gun fired. "Mr. James looked up at us," Michelle Whitt testified. "He said, 'Call 911. I've been shot.' Then he fell over." He was shot through the heart. A medical examiner said he probably died within seconds.

Michael Whitt called 911 at the same time the boy did. On his call, Whitt cried out, "Oh my God. All this over a skateboard."

Dooley's attorney, Ronald Tulin, repeatedly got the Whitts to describe the difference in size and age between the men. He had them restate their testimony that Dooley was headed back to his house before the fight. But when questioned by prosecutor Stephen Udagawa, the witnesses persisted in labeling Dooley the aggressor. They said James never tried to punch or choke Dooley. They said he only went for the gun. "There were no threats, no fists," Michelle Whitt said. She stopped looking after the shot. All she could think to do, she said, was run to James' little girl, standing nearby.
A circuit court judge is scheduled to decide whether to dismiss the charges against Dooley on April 26 (I'm not sure why the hearing was delayed from the January date suggested by the article). If s/he does dismiss the charges--and depending somewhat on what happens in the Trayvon Martin case between now and then--my guess is we'll be hearing more about this one, for a couple reasons: first, Dooley is black and James was white; second, while the respective circumstances of the two cases are quite different, they do have in common the 'Okay, so I did the initial provoking, but I was retreating when confronted' justification from the shooter. (Granted, it's still possible that part of Zimmerman's story won't hold up, whereas it was firmly supported in Dooley's case; having four eyewitnesses to the entire incident helps for sure.)

On the other hand, a standout difference between the two cases is that Dooley was charged with manslaughter whereas Zimmerman wasn't.
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