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Old 04-01-2012, 11:39 AM   #211
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It was stories like this that gave me an irrational fear when I visited in 2010
Well, of course you only hear about the bad news, the people who do get killed.

But bear in mind just how many millions of Americans don't get shot. You don't hear about those now, do you?

Damn lamestream media.

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On a sidenote, you rarely hear bad news about Canada and countries like Costa Rica and Panama.
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On a sidenote, you rarely hear bad news about Canada
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:27 PM   #214
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Well, of course you only hear about the bad news, the people who do get killed.

But bear in mind just how many millions of Americans don't get shot. You don't hear about those now, do you?
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On a sidenote, you rarely hear bad news about Canada and countries like Costa Rica and Panama.
I rarely hear any news about them....

(well, maybe hockey news from Canada.... )
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:36 PM   #215
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NBC to do ‘internal investigation’ on Zimmerman
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NBC told this blog today that it would investigate its handling of a piece on the “Today” show that ham-handedly abridged the conversation between George Zimmerman and a dispatcher in the moments before the death of Trayvon Martin. “We have launched an internal investigation into the editorial process surrounding this particular story.”
Great news right there. As exposed by Fox News and media watchdog site NewsBusters, the “Today” segment took this approach to a key part of the dispatcher call:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. He looks black.

Here’s how the actual conversation went down:

Zimmerman: This guy looks like he’s up to no good. Or he’s on drugs or something. It’s raining and he’s just walking around, looking about.
Dispatcher: OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?

Zimmerman: He looks black.
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Old 04-01-2012, 02:54 PM   #216
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Wow. But I honestly can't say that I'm too surprised. This whole thing has been an incredibly annoying media spectacle.
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Dear NBC: You're not helping.
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Old 04-01-2012, 03:19 PM   #218
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Well, that's what you get for relying on a single network news show for all your news. I've seen no print pieces represent the call that way.

His audible level of agitation and conviction that he's spotting a thief are troubling enough as is; no "ham-handed" edits necessary.
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Old 04-01-2012, 04:19 PM   #219
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I can already tell you what the NBC "investigation" will say.
They received an edited version of that 911 call and didn't do their due diligence.

As Tim Russert continues to roll in his grave...
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Old 04-02-2012, 10:44 AM   #220
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All they had to do was Google the call, get the transcript. Easy enough.

CNN did several stories on the fact that NBC edited the call.
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Old 04-02-2012, 12:13 PM   #221
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For whatever that's worth, I don't know..If it ever came to trial that might come onto play. Since he hasn't been arrested I don't think that's going to happen.

Trayvon Martin case: Screams on 911 tape aren’t George Zimmerman’s: experts - NY Daily News
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Old 04-02-2012, 02:48 PM   #222
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The cop definitely checked the back of his head. I wonder if he was looking at a cut or bruise or looking for a cut or bruise
FWIW, ABC now has an "enhanced" version of the clip up, on which there do indeed appear to be a couple cuts or gashes on the back of his head.

George Zimmerman: Enhanced Video Shows Injury on Trayvon Martin Shooter's Head | Video - ABC News



The New York Times had a very good overview of the story to date yesterday. Not the legal aspects, just a good summary of the known and alleged details of what happened. Nothing new particularly, although this quote from Zimmerman's neighbor (and occasional fellow volunteer watchman) Frank Taaffe, who's defended Zimmerman numerous times in the press, caught my eye:
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Adding to the uncertainty and flux was the sense among some residents that this secured community was no longer so secure. There had been burglaries; at least seven in 2011, according to police reports. Strangers had started showing up, said Frank Taaffe, 55, a marketing specialist, originally from the Bronx, who works out of his home in the Retreat. He made it clear that he was not talking about just any strangers.

“There were Trayvon-like dudes with their pants down,” Mr. Taaffe said.
Nice.
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I saw the enhanced video and you can definitely see lots of swelling and what looks like welt type marks on the top of his head
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Juan Williams: The Trayvon Martin Tragedies - WSJ.com

Most conservative columns I've read have not dwelled on the specfics of the case (since we know so little) but rather the media's embarrassing showing and some "uncomfortable" crime statistics. Glad to see others picking up on that.

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The shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Florida has sparked national outrage, with civil rights leaders from San Francisco to Baltimore leading protests calling for a new investigation and the arrest of the shooter.

But what about all the other young black murder victims? Nationally, nearly half of all murder victims are black. And the overwhelming majority of those black people are killed by other black people. Where is the march for them?Where is the march against the drug dealers who prey on young black people? Where is the march against bad schools, with their 50% dropout rate for black teenaged boys? Those failed schools are certainly guilty of creating the shameful 40% unemployment rate for black teens.

How about marching against the cable television shows constantly offering minstrel-show images of black youth as rappers and comedians who don't value education, dismiss the importance of marriage, and celebrate killing people, drug money and jailhouse fashion—the pants falling down because the jail guard has taken away the belt, the shoes untied because the warden removed the shoe laces, and accessories such as the drug dealer's pit bull.

Supposedly all of this is just entertainment and intended to co-opt the stereotypes. But it only ends up perpetuating stereotypes in white minds and, worse, having young black people internalize it as an authentic image of a proud black person.

There is no fashion, no thug attitude that should be an invitation to murder. But these are the real murderous forces surrounding the Martin death—and yet they never stir protests.

The race-baiters argue this case deserves special attention because it fits the mold of white-on-black violence that fills the history books. Some have drawn a comparison to the murder of Emmett Till, a black boy who was killed in 1955 by white racists for whistling at a white woman.

The Martin case is very different from the Emmett Till case, in which a white segregationist Mississippi society approved of the murder of a black child. Black America needs to get out of the rut of replaying racial injustices of the past.

All minority parents fear that children who embrace "gangsta" fashion, tattoos and a thug attitude will be prejudged as criminal.

Recall what Jesse Jackson once said: "There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery. Then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved. . . . After all we have been through. Just to think we can't walk down our own streets, how humiliating."

That is the unfair weight of being black in America for both the black person who feels the fear and the black teen who is judged as a criminal.

Despite stereotypes, the responsibility for the Florida shooting lies with the individual who pulled the trigger. The fact that the man pursued the teen after a 911 operator told him to back off, and the fact that he alone had a gun, calls for him to be arrested and held accountable under law. The Department of Justice is investigating the incident and the governor of Florida has appointed a special prosecutor to review the case.

But on a larger scale, all of this should open a serious national conversation about how our culture made it easier for this type of crime to take place.

As President Obama said last week, "I think all of us have to do some soul searching to figure out how does something like this happen. And that means we examine the laws and the context for what happened, as well as the specifics of the incident."

While civil rights leaders have raised their voices to speak out against this one tragedy, few if any will do the same about the larger tragedy of daily carnage that is black-on-black crime in America.

The most recent comprehensive study on black-on-black crime from the Justice Department should have been a clarion call for the black community to take action. There is no reason to believe that the trends it reported have decreased since 2005, the year for which the data were reported.

Almost one half of the nation's murder victims that year were black and a majority of them were between the ages of 17 and 29. Black people accounted for 13% of the total U.S. population in 2005. Yet they were the victims of 49% of all the nation's murders. And 93% of black murder victims were killed by other black people, according to the same report.

Less than half of black students graduate from high school. The education system's failure is often a jail sentence or even a death sentence. The Orlando Sentinel has reported that 17-year-old Martin was recently suspended from his high school. According to the U.S. Department of Education's Civil Rights Office, in the 2006-07 school year, 22% of all black and Hispanic K-12 students were suspended at least once (as compared to 5% of whites).

This year 22% of blacks live below the poverty line and a shocking 72% of black babies are born to unwed mothers. The national unemployment rate for black people increased last month to over 13%, nearly five points above the average for all Americans.

The killing of any child is a tragedy. But where are the protests regarding the larger problems facing black America?
Maybe its time for black Americans to stop automatically pulling the lever next to Democrat. Make someone earn your vote.
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I have no issue with Juan Williams article. In fact I've been pondering many of the same sentiments.

I'll tell you what I do have an issue with is you bringing it up. I don't get the sense that what's going on in black communities around this country is near and dear to your heart and you're oh so torn up about it.

I deal with what Williams talks about this every single day with the students I teach, and for you to use it for the usual political point scoring is really aggravating.
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