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Old 12-05-2006, 12:12 PM   #1
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Trans fats banned at NYC restaurants

I was so pleasantly shocked to see this headline. Now could schools and hospitals be next, please? Like, today?


NEW YORK (AP) -- The Board of Health voted Tuesday to make New York the first city in the nation to ban artery-clogging artificial trans fats at restaurants -- from the corner pizzeria to high-end bakeries.

The board, which passed the ban by a unanimous vote, did give restaurants a slight break by relaxing what had been considered a tight deadline for compliance. Restaurants will be barred from using most frying oils containing artificial trans fats by July, and will have to eliminate the artificial trans fats from all of its foods by July 2008.

Health Commissioner Thomas Frieden said recently that officials seriously weighed complaints from the restaurant industry, which argued that it was unrealistic to give them six months to replace cooking oils and shortening and 18 months to phase out the ingredients altogether.

Trans fats are believed to be harmful because they contribute to heart disease by raising bad cholesterol and lowering good cholesterol at the same time. Some experts say that makes trans fats worse than saturated fat.
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transfats are more dangerous to health than alcohol, or tobacco, or marijuana, or many other things we squeal about (think of the children!).

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If you can ban one then whats stopping you from banning the others?
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If you can ban one then whats stopping you from banning the others?


degree of health risk.

but, you're right, arbitrary banning of some substances and not others can be problematic.
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Health risk is a function of duration. All these substances can be used in moderation without harm being done.
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If you can ban one then whats stopping you from banning the others?
Marijuana is illegal in this country. Many cities have already banned smoking in restaurants and that trend will continue. You do not have to drink alcohol in a restaurant, it's a choice. But it 's ridiculous to have to interrogate you waiter about the ingredients in each dish in order to avoid trans fats. If you want to consume trans fats, you can go to the grocery store and buy all the trans fatty foods you want but that makes it a choice. Sure, you can choose not to ever eat out as a way to avoid eating trans fats but that's ridiculous. Replacing trans fats in foods is very simple.
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transfats are more dangerous to health than alcohol, or tobacco, or marijuana, or many other things we squeal about (think of the children!).

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YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT - WHILE POLITICALLY CORRECT NAZI TYPES HAVE BEEN WHINING ABOUT ALCOHOL, MARIJUANA AND ESPECIALLY TOBACCO THEY HAVE RARELY MENTIONED THIS MAN MADE POISON. ALWAYS READ THE INGREDIANTS AND IF IT SAYS "HYDROGENATED" ANYTHING DO NOT EAT IT. I QUIT TRANS FAT ALTOGETHER A FEW YEARS AGO AFTER SOME INVESTIGATION INTO IT - I CAN'T BELEIVE THERE ISN'T A WORLD WIDE BAN OF THIS SHIT - IT IS TOTALLY UNECCESSARY AND ALL FOOD PRODUCTS CAN DO WITHOUT IT. GOOD FOR NYC BUT WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF US???????
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they also should ban burger joints and bars
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It's similar to the smoking ban in bars and restaurants. People generally don't know the danger of trans fats or even that they are eating them.
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Comparing this to alcohol, tobacco, or marijuana is not an accurate comparison. No one will miss trans fats in the same way that they miss a drug.

It is within the rights of government to regulate the quality of food, and, frankly, they should probably do much more than dealing with just this hot-button issue. Most Western food is nothing but unabated crap, using poor quality ingredients and processing techniques that strip out far too many essential nutrients. People should not have to shop in the expensive "organic" section to get healthy food.
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I don't know how I feel about this.
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I don't know how I feel about this.

What do you mean?


I personally think it's great, but time to get it outlawed in schools and other cities as well.
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Melon is right, comparing to alcohol is a poor comparison. This is more comparable to banning asbestos in construction.
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Marijuana is illegal in this country. Many cities have already banned smoking in restaurants and that trend will continue. You do not have to drink alcohol in a restaurant, it's a choice. But it 's ridiculous to have to interrogate you waiter about the ingredients in each dish in order to avoid trans fats. If you want to consume trans fats, you can go to the grocery store and buy all the trans fatty foods you want but that makes it a choice. Sure, you can choose not to ever eat out as a way to avoid eating trans fats but that's ridiculous. Replacing trans fats in foods is very simple.
Precisely. These other examples are a bit pointless, as marijuana is illegal in Australia, too, and as for alcohol, there's limitations on where and when it can be bought. In a bar or club, intoxicated people will not be served and will be removed by security if they're drunk enough. At 12am or 1am, bars are not allowed to serve take-away meaning anything bought must be consumed on the premises. Only licenced outlets, such as pubs and bottle shops can sell alcohol. Period. Australia has free access in it's tightly regulated access to alcohol. There's no stopping people doing what they wish in their own homes, but that's a different set of restrictions. The government, with our laws, is not out to restrict private consumption. And you know, no one here really thinks our limited access is all that constricted, anyway. You can easily tell this by how frequently these other examples come up in debate, all without realising there already is a bunch of governmental control on them.
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Kraft no longer uses trans fats in Oreos. Has anyone missed them? It's not like people really want those trans fats. There isn't a movement out there in the public demanding to keep them. Most people just don't know they're consuming them, don't know they're bad for them, and don't notice when they're replaced. Take them out, you won't notice the difference in taste (if anything, the taste will be better). Remove the trans fats in food served in restaurants, schools and hospitals, replace them with healthier oils and basically everyone wins.
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