Torture/Waterboarding: Discussion/Debate Thread

[2861U2]

Originally posted by Diemen
Either that or your belief in God is a temporary thing that you can turn off when you get upset or when someone does something wrong.

As for myself, that is certainly not the case. I don't ever "turn off" my faith. Maycocksean said something I liked a few pages ago, saying that this might just be an area where my beliefs don't square. And if that's the case, I certainly need to work on it.

Nobody's perfect. I'm sure there isn't a person in here who doesn't struggle with squaring their various beliefs, and it's even harder for people of faith who want to live by the Bible.

[2861U2]

Originally posted by martha


Who would Jesus waterboard?

Exactly. That's completely unfathomable. Just like how God would never destroy cities or wipe out the human race with a flood.



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[Irvine511]

Originally posted by INDY500

To everything there is a season, A time for every purpose under heaven...A time of war, And a time of peace (Ecclesiastes 3:1,8)

when is it time to torture?

while i of course believe that GWB is beholden to people who would indeed wish to have a theocratic Christian order in the United States, i do think the president himself cares too much, insofar as that might be complicated to understand.

you see, torture is a sign of laziness. and this president is nothing if not lazy. it's the quick and easy path, it's the half-assed way to get some information that may or may not be true. it's just like with Iraq. instead of spending the time and building an actual case against Saddam, this president (and Cheney, and Rummy, and even Colin Powell) decided that WMDs would be the quickest, easiest way to get their policy enacted, and so they went about manipulating intelligence.

quick and easy. and lazy. to ruinous ends.

my objection to torture has NOTHING to do with religion, and i don't think anyone's arguing that, because Christians are against torture, then the US government should be against torture. i think they are pointing out the inconsistencies between self-proclaimed Christians in here, and their embrace of torture.

[martha]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Exactly. That's completely unfathomable. Just like how God would never destroy cities or wipe out the human race with a flood.



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You didn't answer my question.

[Irvine511]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Exactly. That's completely unfathomable. Just like how God would never destroy cities or wipe out the human race with a flood.



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protect me from this "God" you speak of.

this genocidal maniac is obviously not worth anything but fear, certainly not respect or love.

[U2democrat]

Would it be better to have a seperate waterboarding/torture thread? That way the actual discussion of the race doesn't get lost in here.

[martha]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Exactly. That's completely unfathomable. Just like how God would never destroy cities or wipe out the human race with a flood.

So now you're God? Or GWB is? Or the generals are?

Clarify, please. Who doing the torture, or condoning it, is God?

[anitram]

Originally posted by U2democrat
Would it be better to have a seperate waterboarding/torture thread? That way the actual discussion of the race doesn't get lost in here.

Yes, PLEASE!

[Diemen]

Originally posted by 2861U2


Exactly. That's completely unfathomable. Just like how God would never destroy cities or wipe out the human race with a flood.



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So let me get this straight. You're saying that you think Jesus would be ok with torturing our enemies?

[sulawesigirl4]

Originally posted by U2democrat
Would it be better to have a seperate waterboarding/torture thread? That way the actual discussion of the race doesn't get lost in here.

Yes.

I don't really feel like going through the entire thread and separating it out post by post. But I can if it's needed. If people want to keep discussing the torture issue, I'd suggest starting a new thread.

Back to the presidential race...

[diamond]

Originally posted by Diemen


So let me get this straight. You're saying that you think Jesus would be ok with torturing our enemies?

I don't think Jesus' aim is to micro manage our free will, liberals do.

dbs

[phillyfan26]

Go.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by sulawesigirl4


Yes.

I don't really feel like going through the entire thread and separating it out post by post. But I can if it's needed. If people want to keep discussing the torture issue, I'd suggest starting a new thread.

Back to the presidential race...

Done.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond
For citizens of our country, not terrorists or enemy combatants.
They shouldn't expect to have the same rights as USA citizens, nor do they, only the liberal left is trying to foist it upon them.

This is why you can argue that modern liberalism is a mental disorder.

db

This doesn't make sense, because there's no system in place to "decide" who's a terrorist and who isn't. With that logic, you could torture anyone, as long as you think there's a chance they could be a terrorist and there's a chance that if they are a terrorist they might have relevant information.

Enough with the mental disorder comments. You disagree, fine. Enough with the childish games. I feel older than some of the people in this forum.

[phillyfan26]

Originally posted by diamond
I don't think Jesus' aim is to micro manage our free will, liberals do.

dbs

Explain this to me, because if you were to ask me who thinks Jesus micromanages, I'd absolutely think it's the right. Who else uses the Bible for law and to hate?