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Old 02-03-2008, 02:27 PM   #16
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yes, the best people to ask about this are those people who are practicing it and trying to defend their actions.

seems like conservatives would be really interested in this ocean front property i've got in southern Kansas ...

and if you think waterboarding is just pouring water on someone's face, think again. it's correct name is "Simulated Drowning," and it's been used for centuries, most especially by Stalin, the Viet Cong, and Pol Pot.
and if the 1/2 minute of simulated drowning of a terrorist who would prefer to slash innocent people's throats, or blow up innocent people-I don't consider that the proper defintion of torture.

I understand torture to inflict physical harm on a person for sadistic reasons.

We are and have save lives thru different interogation techinques.

People who stand in the way of interrogation techniques that have saved innocent lives are actually a terrorist enablers.

Good job you!

Furthur, in a broader sense one could argue that liberalism is a mental disorder.

People of your mindset are as gullible as Neville Chamberlin waving the treaty in his hand.

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I'm talking about Christians

I think we have touch on this before

You have explained your definition of Christian .

and I accept that in terms of our conversation.




We might agree on the term patriot.

and Ralph Nader and Tom Delay would each describe themselves as the true patriot.
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and if the 1/2 minute of simulated drowning of a terrorist who would prefer to slash innocent people's throats, or blow up innocent people-I don't consider that the proper defintion of torture.

I understand torture to inflict physical harm on a person for sadistic reasons.

We are and have save lives thru different interogation techinques.

People who stand in the way of interrogation techniques that have saved innocent lives are actually a terrorist enablers.

Good job you!

Furthur, in a broader sense one could argue that liberalism is a mental disorder.

People of your mindset are as gullible as Neville Chamberlin waving the treaty in his hand.

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That's absolutely right.

And the idea that if we don't torture them they won't torture us is outrageous.

Hey terrorists, here's an idea. How about you tell what you know right away, and then you won't have to be "tortured." I don't have sympathy for a "tortured" terrorist at all. Waterboarding is used as a last resort, so terrorists have every opportunity to avoid it. They choose not to though, because they know it will cause an outrage here in America, and therefore put the focus on waterboarding rather than the actual important issue of potential attacks.
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Old 02-03-2008, 03:28 PM   #19
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People who stand in the way of interrogation techniques that have saved innocent lives are actually a terrorist enablers.
That's one of the single stupidest statements I've ever seen on this board.
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People who stand in the way of interrogation techniques that have saved innocent lives are actually a terrorist enablers.
So the majority of Americans are terrorists according to your definiton.
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And the idea that if we don't torture them they won't torture us is outrageous.

Who said this? Wow, you like to put words in people's mouth a lot.

It's a matter of lowering yourself to their standards, becoming a monster to stop a monster.

Let me ask you a serious question, how do you justify your Christian beliefs and your support of torture?
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Let me ask you a serious question, how do you justify your Christian beliefs and your support of torture?
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We are and have save lives thru different interogation techinques.

No one has proven this. That article didn't provide any real information.
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People who stand in the way of interrogation techniques that have saved innocent lives are actually a terrorist enablers.
Just plain dumb.

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Furthur, in a broader sense one could argue that liberalism is a mental disorder.

Diamond with your debating skills you couldn't argue yourself out of a paper bag, let alone come close to arguing this.

Lay off the hypocritical soapboxing for awhile, will ya?
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Furthur, in a broader sense one could argue that liberalism is a mental disorder.
In a not-so-broad sense, one could argue that conservatism is intentional ignorance.
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Who said this? Wow, you like to put words in people's mouth a lot.
I'm not saying I've heard it in here, but I've heard from Democrats.


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Let me ask you a serious question, how do you justify your Christian beliefs and your support of torture?
Because there are people in the world that are pure evil, and I certainly hope no one disputes that fact. I support waterboarding (or whatever is necessary) to protect America and my family and loved ones. God is just, and the Bible mentions many times that wars will happen. The Bible also mentions "destroying the wicked people" in times of war.

Look, I obviously would never condone waterboarding my friend who owes me 5 bucks, but a terrorist who would stop at nothing to kill me and you and destroy my country, I'm alright with. I believe God would prefer that to perversion of religion and terrorist attacks killing thousands of innocent lives. How many more Jews would have been killed if nothing was done to stop Hitler?

Again, there's a way to avoid waterboarding by just cooperating in the first place...

Do some people in here feel sorry for waterboarded terrorists?
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How do you know that the guy you have your hands on is (a) a terrorist and (b) in possession of knowledge that is relevant and helpful to you? Maybe he doesn't "talk" at first because he has nothing to say and you got the wrong guy.

You know, sort of like those poor bastards that make it out of jail after 20 years when DNA evidence clears them.
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Let me ask you a serious question, how do you justify your Christian beliefs and your support of torture?
Every Christian I know believes in the Bible.

And it is full of a lot worse than this water torture, which I do not support.

One may ask, how does one fall into the "bad thinking" trap?

Accepting certain stories "on faith" as being proper and even righteous does not negate the horror inflicted upon others.

What is worse? Clubbing a thousand people to death?
Sounds like a horrible death, to be beaten to death. Times one thousand.

"And Samson said, With the jawbone of an ass, heaps upon heaps, with the jaw of an ass have I slain a thousand men."

or water boarding?
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Clearly you don't understand two things if you are for waterboarding:

1) The law of your country.

2) How a terror cell works.
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How do you know that the guy you have your hands on is (a) a terrorist and (b) in possession of knowledge that is relevant and helpful to you? Maybe he doesn't "talk" at first because he has nothing to say and you got the wrong guy.

You know, sort of like those poor bastards that make it out of jail after 20 years when DNA evidence clears them.
Well of course they would have to make sure it's a correct guy, but I haven't seen any stories of completely innocent people being waterboarded.
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Clearly you don't understand two things if you are for waterboarding:

1) The law of your country.

2) How a terror cell works.

How does a terror cell work?
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