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Old 02-04-2008, 08:35 PM   #136
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Although I am certainly on that same list, I will be kind to you and say that this:

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The Jesus invokers shouldn't bring him into the argument.
is one of those rare cognizant moments that you have.
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:36 PM   #137
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2: It does if you do it enough.
So does shooting bullets in the sky...
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:41 PM   #138
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:43 PM   #139
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Success is success, like trying to crack a safe with a hammer.
At what risk? We're not talking about safes here.

Bad info, accidental deaths, torturing innocents, etc...

At what cost is that "success is success" attitude squashed?
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At what risk? We're not talking about safes here.

Bad info, accidental deaths, torturing innocents, etc...

At what cost is that "success is success" attitude squashed?
Hey, somebody wanted an argument, I supplied one, your not expecting it to be good?
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:56 PM   #145
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Old 02-04-2008, 08:58 PM   #146
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Hmmm... I love how we turned this into a God thing, because Diamond is a "Christian". LOL.

I've always wondered sometimes about where to draw the line. We go to measures well beyond torture to get information. We pay millions of dollars (bribery), use sex (oh yeah), and drugs, and just plain blackmail. Oh, btw, we listen, look, sense, and crunch digits with acres of super computers to know as much as we possibly can about our enemies. We kill.

But we sure as hell shouldn't torture. I'm serious.
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Again, Motive.

Thou shall not kill

Some Christians take this to mean ever.

But most take this to mean thou shall not murder or take innocent life.
What a wonderful rationalization to make yourself feel better.
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What do you mean by "the championing of death"?

I'd be more impressed with the 'WWJD' arguments if they were coming from self-professed absolute pacifists, or at least people who are taking the time to elaborate why (e.g.) going to war is morally permissible in certain circumstances whereas torture never is. If you're going to frame it as a religious argument, that is.
I'd like to know why these people will break their spines in justifying a Christian acceptance of torture, but some poor college student gets knocked up and wants to finish college instead of have the baby, and suddenly "Thall shalt not kill."


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Hmmm... I love how we turned this into a God thing, because Diamond is a "Christian". LOL.

I've always wondered sometimes about where to draw the line. We go to measures well beyond torture to get information. We pay millions of dollars (bribery), use sex (oh yeah), and drugs, and just plain blackmail. Oh, btw, we listen, look, sense, and crunch digits with acres of super computers to know as much as we possibly can about our enemies. We kill.

But we sure as hell shouldn't torture. I'm serious.
Yes, but I think the difference here is that those types of things happen "behind the scenes" whereas this is not, this administration has given itself power to do so. Very publically.

And I do believe someone's faith should be brought up, when he himself abuses it every chance he gets to judge, make one less equal, or force one's belief on others... When someone very publically uses their faith to say how they want this country to be shaped, believe me it will get brought up when he contradicts what that faith teaches.
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Love your enemy...

What is your definition of "love?"

Do you live 100% by that statement?

If so, you opposed going after Al-Qaeda after 9/11, right?

You don't believe in any sort of prison or punishment for criminals, right?

If someone in your family was murdered, you wouldn't mind if he was never brought to justice, right?

If someone is mean to you, you are never ever mean in return or hostile in any way, right?

If you truly love your enemy, BVS, you can't possibly support any of the above.
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