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Old 11-15-2005, 06:09 PM   #16
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Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.

The veracity of these claims will be tested.


indeed it will.
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Old 11-15-2005, 06:14 PM   #17
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Right. So we should torture those suspected of thought crime.

Fucking brilliant ain't it?
I did not say that.

Torture for crimes done would be a punishment would it not?

Torture for punishment is wrong.
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Old 11-15-2005, 06:23 PM   #18
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I did not say that.

Torture for crimes done would be a punishment would it not?

Torture for punishment is wrong.

There is really little or no discernable difference between what you appear to be advocating or defending, and someone else advocating the incarceration and torturing of Bush or Cheney because they might once have thought of invading Iran or Syria.

On second thoughts, there is one discernable difference - it is a matter of certainty that Bush and Cheney have the firepower to annihilate Iran or Syria - whether these Al Queada terrorists have the firepower to annihilate Boston, New York, Sydney, London or Paris is a more debatable point. Certain intelligence services assure us that they do, but said intelligence has not particularly proven to be reliable in the recent past.
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Old 11-15-2005, 06:32 PM   #19
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I am not talking about broad vague general threat justifying any such measure, I am refering to cases where there is an independently established imminant and specific threat where you have the "ticking time bomb terrorist" dillema (which is no doubt supremely rare and I make no claims that torture is justified against any, all or even some alleged terrorists that are held in police custody at the moment).
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Old 11-15-2005, 06:36 PM   #20
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"ticking time bomb terrorist"
You mean Cheney?
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