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Old 06-18-2006, 04:34 PM   #1
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Topless Weightlifting Pictures Online = Immoral, Ineffective Teacher?

With the internet does anyone have a private life anymore separate from the workplace, school, etc? Potential employers even look you up online if you have a MySpace or anything like that. Of course it's best to refrain from anything that's potentially embarrassing and/or a problem, but where do you draw the line?

And there's the other question of whether these photos are art and whether or not they have any bearing on her effectiveness as a teacher. And if they do violate the "higher moral standards". The student makes a great point about Georgia O'Keeffe, I doubt that this teacher's photos are on that level but who is to say when something is art and when it isn't? Sometimes it's obvious, sometimes not-and most often isn't it in the eye of the beholder? And far too subjective to ruin someone's life and career over? I don't believe that her certification should be revoked. It's also dubious given the feud with the other teacher.

I don't know why they mentioned Bush's daughters, but I left it in just for fun


"AUSTIN, Texas (AP) -- Until they found the topless photos, Austin High School officials considered Tamara Hoover an excellent art teacher with a knack for helping students find their creativity.

Now, she's fighting for her job.

The photos, which were posted on Flickr.com by her partner, depict Hoover in the shower, lifting weights, getting dressed, in bed and doing other routine activities.

Hoover said Friday the photos are art and makes no apologies.

"I'm an artist and I'm going to participate in the arts," Hoover said. "If that's not something they want me to do then I want to be told that. I don't feel as if I was doing anything that was beyond expectations."

The school district said the photos were inappropriate and violate the "higher moral standard" expected of public school teachers. As she was escorted out of class last month she was told that she's become an ineffective teacher.

The district wants to revoke her teaching certification, which would keep her out of Texas classrooms permanently. Hoover will appeal the ruling and is prepared to take the case to court, she said.

Hoover's abrupt dismissal highlights a new concern for employees: Your boss has Internet access, too.

"People don't realize when they put their entire diary out there, they're giving very private information to the public," said Kate Brooks, director of career services for liberal arts students at the University of Texas at Austin.

The photos came to light last month as a result of a feud over ceramics equipment with another art teacher, according to sworn affidavits. Students who had seen the pictures showed the teacher, who then notified school officials.

Austen Clements, one of Hoover's students, noted that many artists have nude pictures, including Georgia O'Keeffe.

"If Georgia O'Keeffe wanted to teach at Austin High, I don't think they'd say, 'No, you have nude pictures online,"' Clements said."
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[Q]The district wants to revoke her teaching certification, which would keep her out of Texas classrooms permanently. [/Q]

The state would have to do this.

And...I have pictures of myself I need to remove.....TTYL
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[Q]The district wants to revoke her teaching certification, which would keep her out of Texas classrooms permanently. [/Q]

The state would have to do this.

And...I have pictures of myself I need to remove.....TTYL



Dear Lord what will happen to me when I run for office if these posts turn up.........





(that's actually a real fear I have...I've considered leaving interference because of that but i just keep coming back)
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And...I have pictures of myself I need to remove.....TTYL
How did I know you would say that? Am I too late, have you removed them already?
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Tough call, that one.

I think revoking her certification is a bit extreme. I do wonder the extent to which she loses some "credibility" with her students when they've all seen her naked.

But if she's able to keep doing her job, and the students still respect her as their teacher, and it's not a distraction, then I don't know that she should lose her job. Especially in the public school setting. (In the school where I teach, a private parochial school--she'd be gone for sure. But again that's a private school. . .).

The internet is not a private place. Anyone who thinks their privacy is being invaded because people looked them up on the internet doesn't understand what the internet is. Of course your privacy is being invaded if you don't KNOW information, pictures etc are being put up online. But that doesn't seem to be the case here.

I don't know...
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How did I know you would say that? Am I too late, have you removed them already?
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What privacy can one expect when you stand naked in front of a camera?
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What privacy can one expect when you stand naked in front of a camera?
Well if you post them on the internet, none I suppose-but what does that have to do with her performance as a teacher?

Granted I would not have wanted to see any naked/topless pictures of any of my teachers (and probably would have been thinking about them naked when I was in class ) but is it really that much of a distraction that she should lose her job?
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Well if you post them on the internet, none I suppose-but what does that have to do with her performance as a teacher?
Student access to nude pictures of a teacher affects the teacher's ability to command the respect, attention and focus of the students.

Frankly, I see a rule barring such displays as for the teacher's protection.
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In junior high, I had a teacher that posed for playboy. By the time I had her she was in her late 50's. Every year someone had the magazine with her pictures in it. She openly admitted it and then moved on with her lesson. She was respected and somewhat feared. Perhaps this is because so much time had gone by?

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Frankly, I see a rule barring such displays as for the teacher's protection.
What about teachers like the one I had?
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It is clear it became an issue she had to deal with on a regular basis.

Some may deal better with such issues, and the passage of time certainly helps. But it is clearly a classroom distraction.

Which is easier to manager? A simple rule about posing nude, or a highly complex rule about posing nude, passage of time and ability to communicate prior conduct effectively?
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What about a rule about dealing with it if it becomes a problem? Barring a person from access to her chosen profession is an extreme reaction.

Anyway, it wouldn't be considered a problem - or even very noteworthy - where I come from. There would probably be a few giggling teenagers though...
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I don't like the rule period.
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I don't think she should have her license revoked because of that!

I went to a very conservative, religiously strict high school and one of our chem teachers got caught making videotapes of his neighbor undressing. He'd stand outside her window and tape her. Surprisingly, the school let the law take care of it and he still teaches. In fact, the students made a big stink about the possibility of firing him because everyone loved him.

His case is even more extreme since he broke laws. Posing nude for "art"? Why not, that's her business. If she's OK with students finding out and possibly seeing the pictures, then I don't think it has any impact on her value as a teacher.
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Barring a person from access to her chosen profession is an extreme reaction.
I agree. It seems like overkill to take away her teaching certification. If it really is a problem at the school--with the students, parents, etc--then I could see them letting her go from that particular school. But to make it impossible for her to teach in the state? It's not like she's a pedophile or something.

I really think the school needs to ascertain whether there is really a problem and make the decision from there, not just find out about the pictures and sack her on the spot.
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