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Old 06-20-2006, 01:49 PM   #16
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I don't think she should have her license revoked because of that!

I went to a very conservative, religiously strict high school and one of our chem teachers got caught making videotapes of his neighbor undressing. He'd stand outside her window and tape her. Surprisingly, the school let the law take care of it and he still teaches. In fact, the students made a big stink about the possibility of firing him because everyone loved him.

His case is even more extreme since he broke laws. Posing nude for "art"? Why not, that's her business. If she's OK with students finding out and possibly seeing the pictures, then I don't think it has any impact on her value as a teacher.
I don't think these two situations are really the same though. On the one hand you have a woman CHOOSING to put nude pictures of herself out there, on the other you've essentially got a peeping tom, taking pictures of a woman who didn't realize she was being videotaped. To be honest, I'm kinda shocked this guy didn't get in more trouble. Again, I don't know the people in your situation, but I also went to a conservative, religiously strict high school and one of the things that concerned me is the tendency to look the other way when inappropriate things happened. Like it was more embarrassing to admitt that some revered authority figure messed up than to cover it up. I don't know. Again, I don't know your situation....
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I know it's different, I just thought of it because it's another example of "teachers doing things in their spare time that we might not/don't think is appropriate". Our teacher was on leave until he worked out the legal ramifications, and then he was allowed back when he agreed to counselling for the peeping obsession and family counselling (he has a young family). The student body put a lot of pressure on the administration to let him back because he was a great teacher and baseball coach.

The teacher in question is CHOOSING to put nude pics of herself online, just like the students, faculty, and administration can CHOOSE to look at them, or ignore them and judge her teaching abilities based on her teaching. I don't agree with it myself, but last time I checked, posing nude for photography doesn't make you a sex offender or a pervert. If it really bothers some people, they can ask for a different teacher or go to another school.

The problem with laying her job and/or revoking her license is that to me it sets a dangerous precedent. What about teachers that get drunk every weekend? Or enjoy strip clubs? Or smoke a joint every now and then? Where do you draw the line? If everyone got to say so-and-so must be a shitty teacher just because s/he does this or that on the weekends, we'd be left with no one by Christ himself.
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The problem with laying her job and/or revoking her license is that to me it sets a dangerous precedent. What about teachers that get drunk every weekend? Or enjoy strip clubs? Or smoke a joint every now and then? Where do you draw the line? If everyone got to say so-and-so must be a shitty teacher just because s/he does this or that on the weekends, we'd be left with no one by Christ himself.
Indeed. And I'm not sure Jesus could get a job teaching in the public schools

I agree with you though. Especially in the public schools teacher's private lives should be their private lives. They should only be judged on their job performance. The only way private life should be a factor is if that private life interferes with job performance (i.e. teacher always shows up late with a hangover Monday morning.) That, I think, is the only issue with the case on this thread.
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The teacher in question is CHOOSING to put nude pics of herself online, just like the students, faculty, and administration can CHOOSE to look at them, or ignore them and judge her teaching abilities based on her teaching. I don't agree with it myself, but last time I checked, posing nude for photography doesn't make you a sex offender or a pervert. If it really bothers some people, they can ask for a different teacher or go to another school.

The problem with laying her job and/or revoking her license is that to me it sets a dangerous precedent. What about teachers that get drunk every weekend? Or enjoy strip clubs? Or smoke a joint every now and then? Where do you draw the line? If everyone got to say so-and-so must be a shitty teacher just because s/he does this or that on the weekends, we'd be left with no one by Christ himself.
Funny, a teacher could utter an offensive word and get tossed in an instant.

I think we want to create the best environment where students can respect, admire and follow teachers. Like it or not, actions taken outside the classroom can affect the atmosphere inside the classroom.

It really doesn't make sense to give the teacher total freedom (no guidelines) and in turn tell the students they still have to understand, respect and not be distracted by what the teacher has done. What happened to role models???
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Funny, a teacher could utter an offensive word and get tossed in an instant.

I think we want to create the best environment where students can respect, admire and follow teachers. Like it or not, actions taken outside the classroom can affect the atmosphere inside the classroom.

It really doesn't make sense to give the teacher total freedom (no guidelines) and in turn tell the students they still have to understand, respect and not be distracted by what the teacher has done. What happened to role models???
What kind of guidelines are you talking about?

What about role models? Is my jr. high teacher not a good role model b/c she posed for playboy when she was 21 years old? Does her 30 year teaching career get overlooked b/c of this?
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Funny, a teacher could utter an offensive word and get tossed in an instant.

I think we want to create the best environment where students can respect, admire and follow teachers. Like it or not, actions taken outside the classroom can affect the atmosphere inside the classroom.

It really doesn't make sense to give the teacher total freedom (no guidelines) and in turn tell the students they still have to understand, respect and not be distracted by what the teacher has done. What happened to role models???
I agree, but I'm curious as to what we'd define as inappropriate behavior from teachers. I'd be just as upset to learn my favorite male teacher was blowing his salary at strip joints every weekend or cheating on his wife than I would be to learn a female teacher had posed in Playboy back in the day or posed nude for someone's photography project.

When I think of all of my most loved and respected role models (my dad, my favorite athlete, theologian, musician, etc)......yep, all of them have been in at least one questionable situation in the past, depending on who gets to define the "questionable" behavior.
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When I think of all of my most loved and respected role models......yep, all of them have been in at least one questionable situation in the past, depending on who gets to define the "questionable" behavior.
Exactly. Who is going to come up with this list of guidelines? How would it read?

1. no posing nude
2. no strip clubs
3. no drinking on weekends or on weekdays for that matter.
4. no smoking! It'll kill ya!
5. no speeding
6. no heavy metal music
7. no gansta rap
8. no crazy hairstyles
9. you must only practice the ___________ faith
11. no single women. what example are you setting for family life?
12. no single parents
10. no being gay. We wouldn't want you converting students now.


Oh yes, I can see it all now.
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Yes, that is my thought process exactly.
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What happened to role models???
I would agree that it's not a really good idea for a teacher to have nude pictures flying about on the internet
but to revoke teaching certifications and act as if laws have been broken seems odd to me
you can't just revoke licenses because you don't agree with someone's private conduct when no laws have been broken
it would be nice if people in certain professions would understand their position as role model though
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it would be nice if people in certain professions would understand their position as role model though
It would be nice if all parents understood this too.

Is it obvious what my profession is?
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parents should understand this also yes
but that doesn't mean it suddenly becomes a good idea for a teacher to have nude pictures on the net for all to find
the chance of this damaging your position in the class is quite high I would think
still doesn't warrant revoking licences though
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I don't think she should lose her job. It doesn't make her a bad teacher. It perhaps shows faulty judgment, but firing is an extreme consequence.
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I would agree that it's not a really good idea for a teacher to have nude pictures flying about on the internet
but to revoke teaching certifications and act as if laws have been broken seems odd to me
you can't just revoke licenses because you don't agree with someone's private conduct when no laws have been broken
it would be nice if people in certain professions would understand their position as role model though
I agree, the particular action in this case is extreme, especially if there was no communication of this requirement.



Our ability to speculate what might consistute overreaching guidelines for professionals does not substantiate a conclusion that there should be no guidelines.
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Our ability to speculate what might consistute overreaching guidelines for professionals does not substantiate a conclusion that there should be no guidelines.
Again, who determines the guidelines? If these guidelines were to be spelled out they would be a contractual issue.
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There was a time not too long ago when women teachers were not allowed to work if they were pregnant. About 30 or so years to be exact.
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