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Old 11-11-2002, 01:01 PM   #1
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Tom Petty is one of my new heroes

Hard to imagine that ANY music nowadays gets banned, esp. with all sex and violence lyrics out there, so when I heard that Tom Petty's new album had been banned in certain locations, I wanted to find out why. I did....and Tom is now one of my rock-n-roll heroes! (hope this hasn't been posted already!)

http://news.dmusic.com/print/5643

Tom Petty Is Pissed
by David Wild for Rolling Stone

The man who told the world "I Won't Back Down," "Don't Do Me Like That" and "Don't Come Around Here No More" doesn't need any assertiveness-training course. Tom Petty's determined, sometimes defiant attitude has collided with the music business throughout the years. For instance, in 1982 Petty recorded Hard Promises with the Heartbreakers, only to find that his then-record company had plans to use his name to initiate a new, higher $9.98 list price for albums. Petty withheld the tapes and threatened to retitle his record $8.98 in protest.
That same spirit is alive and well on Petty's latest album, The Last DJ, which takes a hard look at the lack of moral grounding in the music business. The title track has kicked up considerable controversy, with some radio stations seeing the song as a slap in the face and banning it. But Petty is not just biting the hand that feeds him. Music is only the beginning of what's pissing him off these days. "The Last DJ is a story about morals more than the music business," he says. "It's really about vanishing personal freedoms."

1 Radio is not even worth listening to <---AMEN TO THAT!
"I don't really give a flying fuck about any of it. I've tuned out. But I was elated when my song was banned. I mean, nothing could have complimented me more than to hear they just banned it at such-and-such a station because it's anti-radio. Now, in 2002 to have a song banned that doesn't have a dirty word, doesn't advocate violence -- it's fascinating, you know. Like, what are you afraid of? No record has ever been made that was more pro-radio, you know.

"I remember when the radio meant something. We enjoyed the people who were on it, even if we hated them. They had personalities. They were people of taste, who we trusted. And I see that vanishing. I thought it was a good metaphor to start the album."

2 All anyone thinks about is money
"You don't hear any more of, 'Hey, we did something creative and we turned a profit, how about that?' Everywhere we look, we want to make the most money possible. This is a dangerous, corrupt notion. That's where you see the advent of programming on the radio, and radio research, all these silly things. That has made pop music what it is today. Everything -- morals, truth -- is all going out the window in favor of profit.

"I don't think it's a good attitude in your life to feel that you have to be rich to have self-esteem. You know, I saw a billboard in New York I wish I had photographed. It was for the TNN network. It said three words against a patriotic background of red, white and blue - BIGGER, YOUNGER, RICHER. Now, I find that fascinating: 'Bigger, younger, richer.' This whole idea of being wealthy has gone too far. I never ride in a limousine, you know. I feel gross if I get in a limousine. One good thing about the Sixties was it sort of was the opposite back then. You looked silly trying to appear rich."

3 It's ridiculous to make people pay twenty dollars for a CD
"It's funny how the music industry is enraged about the Internet and the way things are copied without being paid for. But you know why people steal the music? Because they can't afford the music. I'm not condoning downloading music for free. I don't think that's really fair, but I understand it. If you brought CD prices back down to $8.98, you would solve a lot of the industry's problems. You are already seeing it a little -- the White Stripes albums selling for $9.99. Everyone still makes a healthy profit; it might get the music business back on its feet."

4 Only a complete greedhead would charge $150 for a concert ticket
"My top price is about sixty-five dollars, and I turn a very healthy profit on that; I make millions on the road. I see no reason to bring the price up, even though I have heard many an anxious promoter say, 'We could charge 150 bucks for this.' I would like to do this again and maybe come through and not leave a bad taste in people's mouths. I was at one of our gigs recently, and I was just stunned driving in that it cost thirty dollars to park your car. It's so wrong to say, 'OK, we've got them on the ticket and we've got them on the beer and we've got on everything else, let's get them on the damn parking.' You got to care about the person you're dealing with."

5 Record labels don't care about artists
"An act like ours wouldn't even be around today if someone hadn't brought us along and let us make mistakes and grow at our own pace. Today it seems that if you don't have a hit -- or even if you do -- they have no use for you the next time. It's like, 'Well, why wait for these guys to come back with another hit when we can bring in somebody else?' It's an asinine way to conduct yourself. These people are looking at balance sheets, not music. Most people involved in putting this music on the air or bringing it to us aren't really listening to it."

6 Filthy lyrics make me sick
"I'm frustrated by what I hear. Maybe it's not meant for me. Personally, I'm way too bright for a lot of the hip-hop lyrics to affect. I'm much too smart to think that jewelry or how cool I am is really going to change much about my personality. If you're dumb enough that it entertains you, have a great time. But I am seeking more than that.

"When I was a young rock & roll star, I was really fascinated and shocked at times by the power that I had, by the power of my words, and shocked that it can be taken wrong. I don't believe in censorship, but I do believe that an artist has to take some moral responsibility for what he or she is putting out there. And I think a lot of these young kids are going to have to learn the hard way before they realize that you can actually do some damage if you're being careless or frivolous in what you're saying."

7 Only a sick culture would sexualize young girls
"It's disgusting. It's not just pop music, it's fashion, it's TV, it's advertising, it's every element of our culture. Young women are not being respected, children aren't being respected. Why are we creating a nation of child molesters? Could it be that we're dressing up nine-year-old women to look sexy? And even if we're wrong, let's not do it anyway. I really don't put it past these advertising people to say, 'Well, look, we made a lot of money when we brought the nine-year-old out and made her look like a hooker. Let's do it again.' "

8 Why are we rewarding people for being rich?
"Getting back to the whole issue of ticket prices: We don't do the Golden Circle/VIP thing. I don't see how carving out the best seats and charging a lot more for them has anything to do with rock & roll. A lot of the time, some corporation's bought up these seats with someone's money who doesn't even know it's being spent -- and they are going to use it to entertain clients. A lot of the people who buy these seats don't give a damn about the music -- they're going to get a waiter. What you see from the stage is a group of people just talking to each other, not really interested in being there at all. And the poor guy who really is interested, he's sitting way in the back."

9 And TV is worse
"I think television's become a downright dangerous thing. It has no moral barometer whatsoever. If you want to talk about something that is all about money, just watch the television. It's damn dangerous. TV does not care about you or what happens to you. It's downright bad for your health now, and that's not a far-out concept. I think watching the TV news is bad for you. It is bad for your physical health and your mental health. The music business looks like, you know, innocent schoolboys compared to the TV business. They care about nothing but profit. They will make a movie about murdering their kids, you know? And they'll put the guy who killed them on TV. And before long, he might even have his own show."

10 A lot of artists are as greedy as the industry
"Let me say this so it's definitely in the story: I don't think the industry is entirely to blame. Let's face it: The music industry has always been laughably corrupt, always. It's the artists themselves that often cause problems. Artists aren't necessarily business people. And they aren't neces-sarily aware of all the things that go on in their names. Some just want to make some music, but there is a lot of greed among artists as well. Whether or not we know it, we are all to blame. I think it's time -- starting with the artist -- to try to be a little more responsible and aware of what goes on in our name."


Tom Petty ROCKS.
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Re: Tom Petty is one of my new heroes

It's a little strange for me to see this criticism posted on the forum of a band that actually does charge around $150 for their seats (was it $150 for gold circle seats on elevation?). Does that make U2 total greedheads? I don't think so.
Radio is what got Tom Petty to where he is. He's not exactly a underground artist. Ironic that I heard him on the radio about 20 minutes before reading this

Petty has $55 concert tickets (for his current tour), he's a multimillionaire and a major pothead. Let's not pretend like he's a revolutionary. He's just another artist biting the hands that feeds him and then continuing to feed. I guess it's become pretty cool for artists to launch this kind of hypocrisy.
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It's a little strange for me to see this criticism posted on the forum of a band that actually does charge around $150 for their seats (was it $150 for gold circle seats on elevation?). Does that make U2 total greedheads? I don't think so.
Radio is what got Tom Petty to where he is. He's not exactly a underground artist. Ironic that I heard him on the radio about 20 minutes before reading this

Petty has $55 concert tickets (for his current tour), he's a multimillionaire and a major pothead. Let's not pretend like he's a revolutionary. He's just another artist biting the hands that feeds him and then continuing to feed. I guess it's become pretty cool for artists to launch this kind of hypocrisy.
U2 has little control over their ticket prices when it comes down to it. I think this is a coordinated game between two near monopolies--SFX, the stadium / arena promoter, and TicketMaster, the ticket seller. Also, if you add third-party ticket brokers to the equation, it is artificially driving up demand. It is suspected that TicketMaster does back-handed dealing with the ticket brokers, who likely give the monopoly kickbacks with all the mark-up.

Does that make U2 total greedheads? No. Does that make Universal Music, SFX, and TicketMaster greedy? You bet, and it defeats the whole illusion of competition.

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The market decides what U2 is worth, not the corporations or U2 themselves. U2 charge based on what demand is. U2 have always charged a ticket price designed to maximize profit. Its the price at which the band will be able to sellout the arena or the Stadium they are playing. Charge to little and there is profit loss which often goes to scalpers. Charge to much and few people will come and not enough money will be made to pay for the tour.

Demand determines price, which is why AC/DC had an average ticket price of 40$ on their 2001 tour while U2 had an average ticket price of 80$. AC/DC often failed to sellout suggesting they should have perhaps dropped their ticket price even more. Clearly, the demand to see AC/DC is a small fraction of the demand to see U2. U2 on the other hand sold out every show they played on the Elevation tour which suggest that many of the shows had tickets that were slightly underpriced. Expect slightly higher ticket prices on the U2 tour for 2004 unless of course U2 decides to play larger Stadiums. If the band attempts a Stadium tour like POPMART in 1997, ticket prices will drop to attract more people to meet all the extra supply of seats that are available in stadiums and not Arena's.
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U2 has little control over their ticket prices when it comes down to it. I think this is a coordinated game between two near monopolies--SFX, the stadium / arena promoter, and TicketMaster, the ticket seller. Also, if you add third-party ticket brokers to the equation, it is artificially driving up demand. It is suspected that TicketMaster does back-handed dealing with the ticket brokers, who likely give the monopoly kickbacks with all the mark-up.

Does that make U2 total greedheads? No. Does that make Universal Music, SFX, and TicketMaster greedy? You bet, and it defeats the whole illusion of competition.

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U2 has little control? Hogwash. if they say we're not going to sell our tickets for these prices, can SFX force them to go on tour? Afraid not.

If that doesn't make U2 total greedheads, doesn't that mean that Petty's point that bands that do that are total greedheads invalid because they are other factors involved?
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7 Only a sick culture would sexualize young girls
"It's disgusting. It's not just pop music, it's fashion, it's TV, it's advertising, it's every element of our culture. Young women are not being respected, children aren't being respected. Why are we creating a nation of child molesters? Could it be that we're dressing up nine-year-old women to look sexy? And even if we're wrong, let's not do it anyway. I really don't put it past these advertising people to say, 'Well, look, we made a lot of money when we brought the nine-year-old out and made her look like a hooker. Let's do it again.' "
This is a growing problem in our culture. Major apparel chains market thong underwear to elementary school age girls. At my sonís kindergarten and 1st grade talent shows, some of the girls were dressed up to look ďsexyĒ.

When will parents actually parent their children? If parents donít parent, the marketers will have their field day.
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The market decides what U2 is worth
Yes, particularly when that market is populated with a good proportion of third-party ticket brokers.

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When will parents actually parent their children? If parents donít parent, the marketers will have their field day.
yep. tonight's episode of the sitcom i'm watching basically revolves around some kid who lives in anarchy, and his parents who refuse to discipline him because he's "special" and "unique" (not in the handicapped way, but in the way that they think he's a genius way).
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I wonder for the next tour if u2 will have an 'intimate' stage show like Elevation or a big show like Popmart or Zootv. I mean they have now cashed in big time on this tour and to have a huge show like before will mean they make a lot less money so this will be interesting to see. Personally I think it will be sort of like this tour except in stadiums but a bit more of a stage show.
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I think petty just uses U2 as an example in his article.
They maximize their profit and that is strange because the singer looks like someone who loves to talk but dosn't act himself.
I think we would all be glad if Bono would be like other artists and would use his influence in the music industry to stop this money-maximizing-trend or would at least say "we're diffent" we don't play that capitalistic game, we don't need 400.000.000 Dollars profit - we just need enough for a beautiful life , we don't want to rip of our fans. Please spend 100$ for the poor - 40$ for the ticket is enough.

At least this behaviour would fit to his "Robin Hood image"

btw. that's pretty much the same with their singles - why do they sell 4 different versions of Electrical Storm with nearly no new stuff on it?
They know that hardcore fans will buy all 4 wersions even if 3 CDs would be filled with 4 mins of silence.

it's true we don't have to buy it (i bought the 2 track single for example) but there are some U2 addicted people who don't have the free choice they have to buy everything their "goods" sell.

10 Years ago Music was more to me than business - i bought about 2-5 CDs per week. Meanwhile CD Prices doubled, Concert prices too - lots of music just sounds like the 1000'th remake of a CD i own for years. I feel like someone tries to rip me off and because of that it's no more fun for me to go into a record store and look for new releases listen to them and buy them.
Because of that i only buy 2-5 CDs (including music DVDs) per year now.
And no - i don't use napster or something like that. Music industry just get me to a point where i don't like to consume that stuff anymore.

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I thought this thread was about Tom Petty
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I thought:

>8 Why are we rewarding people for being rich?
>"Getting back to the whole issue of ticket prices: We
>don't do the Golden Circle/VIP thing. I don't see how

is a direct mentioning of U2 - or did any other have "Golden Circle Seats"? (never heared of that before)

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U2 does not rip anyone off. U2 does not decide the price of tickets, consumers do. The more consumer demand U2 tickets, the more they increase in price. A "Robin Hood" move by U2 would simply mean that ticket brokers that resell the tickets would be making the millions of dollars in profit. Bottom line is:
If your not going to make what your worth, then someone else is going to(the ticket brokers and scalpers in this case). Faced with this problem, U2 would rather go ahead and make what their worth or almost what their worth instead of having scalpers and brokers make all that money for doing nothing. But its not the fault of scalpers or brokers either, the price of a product or service is typically based on the demand for that product or service. Consumers determine demand!
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Tom Petty is banned from radio for telling the truth. If all those opinions were false, or even slightly false, he would be banned. It's that simple.

Disco: I too have a new found respect for this man. I'm surprised Bono hasn't come out with a similar stance on the record industry. Very surprised.
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A correction to the post listed above. I meant to say that if his statements were false or even slightly false they wouldn't be banned.

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