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Old 05-03-2005, 10:10 AM   #46
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Is this based on your experiences as a missionary, or is it a counter-stereotype for purposes of discussion?
Counter-stereotype.

The point, I guess, is that I see a very large disconnect here. I'm glad you all are very judgmental of Islam. Personally, I can't stand the religion and if Saudi Arabia ceased to exist tomorrow, I wouldn't cry. Good riddance. Although I'm sure we'd miss their oil.

But when it comes to Christianity, we don't see the more "zealous" or "irrational" elements within our own religion. I don't generally see a real desire for "religious freedom" out there, when I see our own nation leading towards theocracy more and more. My "religious freedom" is ignored on a regular basis by a bunch of ranting and raving Christian mullahs whining about how the sky is going to fall if two men are happy together.

No, what I see is a bunch of Christians licking their chops on how they can convert a nation of Muslims into Christians, and then the gate of "religious freedom" can be closed, as far as they're concerned.

"Why do you notice the splinter in your brother's eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? How can you say to your brother, 'Let me remove that splinter from your eye,' while the wooden beam is in your eye? You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother's eye." -- Matthew 7:3-5

I guess Matthew here sums up my real point in language people will understand.

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Still no such thing. You are either racists or you're not, reversing racism eliminates racism.
So excuse my English.
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And Melon, the only beliefs I have bashed on this thread are racism and religious persecution. I respect all kinds of belief systems that get people through the day, and passive, non-militant Islam is one of them. If you really wanted to get into Bible verses, there are in fact some that encourage spreading the gospel.
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Old 05-04-2005, 02:28 AM   #49
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What if my belief involved sharing my faith with others who may be interested?

what if my belief requires me to carry SWORD. What if my religion wants to kill all those who dont believe in it.

Religions should always be personal and private "businesss".


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To what extent?
As long as you are not affecting others...Do anything you want behind the closed doors or your worship place.

...When outside it, be a representative of humanity and not your religion.
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So let me get this straight. Peaceful missionaries who clothe and feed villages, and offer a positive, uplifting message of hope are nutty and deserve to serve months behind bars?
Yes this is nutty.

If you want to offer help, please make it SECULAR else it should be disallowed.

first a warning..
then monetory fine ...
and then behind the bars for couple of months, if that is what it takes to stop this

Please read Melon's post for more detail. I 100% agree with Melon on this.
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And Melon, the only beliefs I have bashed on this thread are racism and religious persecution.
Oh yes.. we all hate racism and religious persecution...

but dont expect any favors just because you are from religion X or religion Y.

All religious and non-religious people should be treated equally...

and rules should not be made on the basis of religion...
There is where Saudi gets it all wrong..There is where YOU get it all wrong... Like Melon, I see no difference between the two..
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what if my belief requires me to carry SWORD.
dont ask me ..which belief requires all its male followers to carry a sword at all times.. its an easy question i think ?
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AcrobatMan - did you just answer yourself?
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Sikhism, part of the 5 k's if im not mistaken ~ the kirpan, a most interesting religion, very much a theological bulwark against Islam historically and has not been immune from extremists in modern times.
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AcrobatMan - did you just answer yourself?
No I didnt answer myself...I am avoiding a further question to the line... Hey AcrobatMan, you are talking non-sense about this sword thing ?

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Yes this is nutty.

If you want to offer help, please make it SECULAR else it should be disallowed.

first a warning..
then monetory fine ...
and then behind the bars for couple of months, if that is what it takes to stop this

Please read Melon's post for more detail. I 100% agree with Melon on this.
You're on here saying "All religious and non-religious people should be treated equally..." but think about it. Should evangelizing atheists be treated the same way?
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what if my belief requires me to carry SWORD. What if my religion wants to kill all those who dont believe in it.

Religions should always be personal and private "businesss".
You're relying on extremes to support your argument, and they are universally frowned upon. I request better examples.


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As long as you are not affecting others...Do anything you want behind the closed doors or your worship place.

...When outside it, be a representative of humanity and not your religion.
People can live their way of life outside closed doors. You should be able to be the same person at home as you are anywhere else.
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Should evangelizing atheists be treated the same way?
There is no such thing as evangelizing atheist. I have never met or heard about any evangelizing atheist.

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e·van·gel·ize ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-vnj-lz)
v. e·van·gel·ized, e·van·gel·iz·ing, e·van·gel·iz·es
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To preach the gospel to.
To convert to Christianity.

But If some crazy atheist guy wants other guys to believe that God doesnt exist and offer help to those who believe in what he says...or offer help and then try to FORCE this own ideology..that should be treated in the same way as I have told for people who FORCE religious ideology.

But I dont think it exists...Even dictionary.com doesnt think it exist..

Believe me "evangelizing atheist" doesnt exist.


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You're relying on extremes to support your argument, and they are universally frowned upon. I request better examples.
I believe you havent travelled enough. This is not an SIMPLE example. this is a real time situation.

There is no end to appeasing in the name of religious freedom.

I am a big fan of religious freedom BUT I am not a fan of appeasement in the name of religious freedom...
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