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Old 05-01-2005, 09:56 AM   #16
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I know of some folks who snuck some contraband (wine and Bibles) into Saudi Arabia for their private use.

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Saudi Arabia is one of the biggest religious persecuting nations around, as is Vietnam and North Korea.
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Saudi Arabia is arguably one of the bigger religious nations ~ and hence the intollerance. Vietnam and North Korea are just failed experiments in creating socialist paradise on earth. The only path is liberty with freedom of religion ~ it allows the individual to have the power of choice and they are not forced to believe or to abandon their beliefs.
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if Saudi Arabia prohibited potential SPREAD of ALL RELIGIONS , I am ok with it...

But thats not the case .

I will never go to Saudi Arabia...thats for sure
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I like you AcrobatMan, but I don't think that I can agree with the hardline anti-religious stance, surely if our views are right then the best way to achieve them is for humanity to exist in a state of freedom and civilizations to be at the same point. It's just the idea of prohibiting the spread of religions, the spread of ideas ~ it has been tried before and it killed so many. I cannot help but feel that the quick means to the end of no religion will only ever end in massive death, or perhaps it could be the result of it ~ provided you had a big enough catastrophy on all humanity.
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I like you AcrobatMan, but I don't think that I can agree with the hardline anti-religious stance, surely if our views are right then the best way to achieve them is for humanity to exist in a state of freedom and civilizations to be at the same point. It's just the idea of prohibiting the spread of religions, the spread of ideas ~ it has been tried before and it killed so many. I cannot help but feel that the quick means to the end of no religion will only ever end in massive death, or perhaps it could be the result of it ~ provided you had a big enough catastrophy on all humanity.
I didnt mean putting those who spread religions into prison or hanging them.

Just ensuring means to stop of spread of false stories...preaching..harassing others for spreading..putting loud speakers to spread propoganda..distributing free books....publicity at public places.. I want to end this...Not the Saudi style prohibition

The offender should be fined monetarily ...

repeated offenders can be put into JAIL for 2 months...
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Fining people for ideas is dangerous, freedom to think, freedom to express are the single greatest tools for humanity to overcome opression ~ be it of a political or a religious nature.
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Voice of the Martyrs is one of the finest organizations around. I remember reading their newsletter when I was only five or six and being horrified about the stories in there. Richard Wurmbrand, the founder, is IMHO, one of the greatest voices of Christianity of the 20th century. Check out his various memoirs of being a prisoner for 14 years in communist Rumania.
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if Saudi Arabia prohibited potential SPREAD of ALL RELIGIONS , I am ok with it...
Longing for the good ol' days of communism?
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Well, it's a double-edged sword. We want Saudi Arabia to liberalize their religious freedom, because we'd be the "outsiders." However, here in the U.S., we have a GOP that flirts with prayer in public schools, Bible classes, and creationism in science class. In other words, "majority rules," as long as you're part of the majority and if you find yourself part of the minority, then it's "religious freedom."

In other words, for many people, this is nothing more than a selfish venture. They want "religious freedom" in Saudi Arabia so they can convert them to Christianity. And then once they're "Christian," to hell with "religious freedom."

Well, let's say this: you've got a long way to go for a nation that views the Koran as their Constitution and has full Sharia law. Here's fundamentalism at its ugliest.

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My thoughts EXACTLY. That road is paved with theophobia.
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Oh, people shouldn't get arrested for expressing an opinion, not even one you dislike intensely. I can't stand the Ku Klux Klan, but I'm against doing anything to KKK members for their beliefs. As much as I hate it it's their right to spew their hate-filled rhetoric. I don't have to like it. Believe me, I don't. I have faith in people in general that they are not going to adopt such pathological hate-filled psyches like this. Marginalize the Klan and people like them, but don't ban them.
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