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Old 11-27-2004, 06:11 AM   #16
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Dave,

I second what Rinn says.

Go, but take care.
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Old 11-27-2004, 07:37 AM   #17
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Go, and please be very very careful.
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Old 11-27-2004, 08:11 AM   #18
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Go, Dave. Go for those of us who can't. How is going to a protest disrespectful, Sting2? Are we, as Americans, required to give him obesience?
I would go if I could so please go.
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Old 11-27-2004, 08:38 AM   #19
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i will begin to show some respect for him as soon as he starts showing respect for people outside his own nation.
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Old 11-27-2004, 11:55 AM   #20
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he will be in ottawa on tuesday and im considering going.

having been involved in the rcmp preparations for his visit, however, and hearing how catastrophically messed up the city will be, ill probably sleep in and not even go to the office.
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Old 11-27-2004, 12:08 PM   #21
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i will begin to show some respect for him as soon as he starts showing respect for people outside his own nation.
If he had respect for the people in his own nation we'd have lower taxes, better health care and no poverty. Don't make it a "Bush against anything not American argument".
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Old 11-27-2004, 12:48 PM   #22
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i will begin to show some respect for him as soon as he starts showing respect for people outside his own nation.
Is that your core message, or is there something else you think you can communicate by your presence?
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If he had respect for the people in his own nation we'd have lower taxes, better health care and no poverty. Don't make it a "Bush against anything not American argument".
being that DaveC is one of mr. bush's informal 'international consituents', his protest intentions seem perfectly appropriate to me.

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im not sure what you are implying, if anything. i do think it is interesting and admirable that DaveC is considering protesting with a specific intent in mind. one of the fallacies of these mass protests is individual arguments and justifications are drowned out by the mass will which happens to be dominated by the 'loudest' activities which has, unfortunately, become smashing mcdonalds windows in this context.
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Old 11-27-2004, 09:18 PM   #24
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I think you should go. Those G7 protests always seem to get way more out of control than other protests, so I wouldn't worry about. Remember how big the protest in NY was for the Republican national convention? That stayed peaceful.
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one of the fallacies of these mass protests is individual arguments and justifications are drowned out by the mass will which happens to be dominated by the 'loudest' activities which has, unfortunately, become smashing mcdonalds windows in this context.
I would think the fallacy is that the individual's message is communicated and understood when mixed with a large group of divergent and occassionally incoherent messages.

The mass protest may be satisfying to the individual protestor's sole, but it usually does not result in a well communicated message.
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Generally a protest has a particular theme, i.e, a reason why the demonstrators are there in the first place. In this case it's Bush's foreign policy and especially Iraq. When I went to the February 15 demo last year it was specifically against the invasion.
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i will begin to show some respect for him as soon as he starts showing respect for people outside his own nation.
50 million people have been liberated from two of the most brutal dictatorships in history. Democracy is being built and Billions of dollars are being invested in two countries to make them successful and prosperous democracy's.

There is no other leader of a country on the planet that has done more to improve the lives of so many people outside his own country than George Bush.

Not only does this show the respect and concern Bush has for people outside the country, but it has indeed been returned by the dozens of countries who currently support the effort to make Iraq and Afghanistan prosperous democracies. Most countries in NATO have troops on the ground in Iraq.
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go, let your voice be heard. but the second it becomes violent, book it.
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Protest, dont protest - enjoy the choice of free societies and consider how valuable that is.

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