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Old 05-14-2002, 06:53 PM   #31
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I dont get it, was I being cheap?? OMG!!! I just did the math and that's like 12%..do I ever feel like a heel...I meant to leave more than I usually do...grrr...

So to the anonymous waiter at TGIF's: Im truly sorry, I meant to give you more like 15 or 20%...next time, and I WILL be back down there, for sure...

Runs away to hide under his cheap rock...the shame of it, the shame! What's the smilie for 'embarassed'??

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Old 05-14-2002, 06:57 PM   #32
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I dont get it, was I being cheap?? OMG!!! I just did the math and that's like 12%..do I ever feel like a heel...I meant to leave more than I usually do...grrr...

So to the anonymous waiter at TGIF's: Im truly sorry, I meant to give you more like 15 or 20%...next time, and I WILL be back down there, for sure...

Runs away to hide under his cheap rock...the shame of it, the shame! What's the smilie for 'embarassed'??

Alright, I turned around, you can unlock your door Gabrielvox, I forgive you.

*Puts breadstick in back pocket and saves it for use on another day*

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Old 05-14-2002, 07:49 PM   #33
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I almost always tip. Usually around 20%, and if the service was really great then over 20%. Even if the service isn't all that good, I'll leave a tip, but it will be an obviously small one. If the service is just plain awful, no tip.
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Old 05-14-2002, 10:17 PM   #34
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i always tip at least 15%, even if i'm at like sonic, where they don't do all the work a regular waitress does. however, in certain bad instances i leave less.

one time at pf chang's my husband and i were there eating dinner, and our waiter was a complete jerk. his entire section consisited of about 20 tables outside, and only two of them were occupied, one of them being us. after bringing us our food, he proceeded to only come check on us to bring the check. he never even stopped by to ask if we needed change - good thing i was paying in cash! and this other guy who took our plates was standing with a bottle of beer in his hand only moments before, so we were not pleased. we left him a fifty cent tip. i regret just not stiffing him and saying i was going to pay by visa, but didn't think it was wise to leave my credit card here.

however, today we went to pf chang's again and got excellent service. we usually always do, that one bad instance is the only time that's ever happened. something weird was in his food and they covered the whole meal, not just his. so we left the waitress a $6 tip, which would come out to about 30% after estimating the food's total.

as for the people at starbucks, etc. who leave out tip jars: it's been my experience that the people who work at starbucks are complete assholes, which is why i never go there, plus their drinks taste gross. they're making $7-8 an hour here and i wish i made that much. i don't even get tips and i do more work than the average frappucino yuppie does anyway. so i only leave my change if i get really good service at yummy coffee places.
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Old 05-14-2002, 10:21 PM   #35
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OH!!!!! btw...as for tipping maids, i never have but it's just the person's decision i guess. at the hotel i used to work at, maids started at $8.25/hour (as opposed to $7 for those of us at the front desk). also, the maids usually do change from day to day. there, every day the maids would make the bed for all the nightly guests, clean the rooms for those who checked out, and either cleaned the room or replenished the towels in the weekly guests' rooms, depending on which day it was. oh, and the weekly guests, they usually had to clean about 2-3 of those rooms and replenish towels for the same amount. there were plenty more weeklies, but everyone has a different day so the maid isn't cleaning every room in the hotel every day, since only one or two of them work during the day.

so like i said, it's mainly your call, if you think they deserve it or not. i'm kinda bitter so i'm like, they make more than me, so why should i tip?
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I usually give 20% in full service restaurants. Yes, the wages for servers here in the U.S. usually start well below minimum wage.

And if I go to a Mexican restaurant on 2-for-1 combo night or $1.50 beer night, I tip the equivalent of 20% of what the "full" price would be, as they are serving me that value of food/beer.

Also, if I eat lunch at a barbecue restaurant or Mexican restaurant and my meal costs about $4, I will leave $1 because I don't feel right throwing a bunch of coins and lint and other debris on the table.

As for Sonic, I have gotten into the habit of tipping them as well since they do deliver it to your car (sometimes on roller skates). And if you punch the button and tell them you need some ketchup for your tater tots, they will bring it to you.

I always tip my bartenders, but since my wife and I only drink beer which they simply twist the top off of, it is not always 20%.

I have heard that the rule on tipping hotel service is if you are staying more than 1 night, it is appropriate to tip, and especially at luxury hotels (where they turn your sheets down and leave chocolate on your pillow). I do not know the appropriate rate for such.

The first time I ever ordered a beer on an airplane, the attendant gave it back and said "thanks, but we don't take tips" so I never tip them, even if they give me extra peanuts.

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Old 05-15-2002, 12:52 AM   #37
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If the service is acceptable, I tip 20%. If it is great, I will tip 30-50%. If it is sub par, then I tip maybe 10%.

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Old 05-15-2002, 03:38 AM   #38
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In the US, 15% is the avg tip. Ussually, the tip is double the tax so on a $100 check Gabriel Vox, If you only left me $10, I would have to kick your canadian arse!!! Also, the other thing to remember is that, generally speaking, a resturant is not busy allnight. It may have a good dinner rush where you might wait on 4 tables and bring in $30 in tips, but by 10 or 11, you might not have any tables and there fore no tips, so it avgs out. I'd say, (from my experience at TGI Fridays) that waiters can expect to make about $10-12 an hour with the good ones a few dollars more. It may seem like a lot, but believe me, waitering is bot an easy job, especially in a place like TGIF. AS for my experience in bartending, we make a little bit more (I avg 20-25 an hour) but, that's a whole different story

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Old 05-15-2002, 05:47 AM   #39
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However, when travelling in Europe or Asia I generally donít tip because service is included (says so on the menu).
In many European countries, they are required by law to put that on the menu, but that doesn't necessarily mean that it's reflected in the staff's pay, so we still tip. I'd recommend doing so, unless your waiter/waitress really doesn't deserve it for some reason. The customary percentage varies, but you can usual find an indication in travel books about the country you're going to.
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Old 05-15-2002, 07:35 AM   #40
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I'm mean, I hardly ever tip. Maybe I round up on the bill and it will be like a few percent.

As someone said, they are doing their job. I have a job giving service to customers too but since I'm behind a computer at a callcenter I can't get tip, doesn't matter how nice I am.

My big question is why restaurants can't pay at least minimum wages instead? What's the problem? I can't see why I should give someone something extra for simply taking my order, deliver the food and then deliver the bill. Ok, if it's something extraordinary with the order or they easily take a change or do something extra. But simply do their job, nothing more, nothing less, I don't feel like paying them for, that's the employers responsible to give the waiter/waitress what they think they are worth.

The same with maids. And just leaving the tip in the room might not end up in the right hands. I've tipped the maid once (me thinks) and it was when I was staying at a hotel in a small city in Urugauy. I was the gossip for the whole hotel personal since I was an alone girl, all the way from Sweden staying there and they cleaned my room and gave me new towels and soap everytime I had been in the room and so. When I once happened to "catch" them they looked at me and giggled and whispered and quickly left the room and thought I was very exotic. LOL That was very sweet and something extra.

But, as mentioned I'm from Sweden and tip is normally included in the price so noone looks strangely or angry at you if you don't tip. I try to tip more when I'm over in the US since I know how it works there but to tip as much as 20% will probably never happen.
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Old 05-15-2002, 08:21 AM   #41
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I agree with you regarding tips to some extent. As someone else pointed out, these days there are these "tip cups" everywhere. I even see them in SubWay. Now, sometimes I do throw in a dollar - and I find that this helps my service when I return. However, overall, these tip jars are presumptuous.

But your argument about lower-paying job is egregiously flawed. I worked in restaurants in high school and college (to pay for my schooling). As a busboy and then a waiter, my pay (from the restaurant) was VERY low. I might make a scant $1.25/hour as a waiter (this was in the 80's). Why so low? Because the restaurant figured with my tips, I would easily be at minimum wage or better. I've seen this at many restaurants as well.

There might be some restaurants who do pay a far higher base salary, but again, even they calculate your overall salary to be much higher due to tips.

So to not tip your waiter/waitress because you figure they are making enough from the restaurant is flat-out wrong. The restaurant doesn't pay a lot because the restaurant ownders know the wait-staff rely mostly on tips for their pay.

Also, if you ever want decent service, not tipping is not the way to get it. If you didn't tip me once, I might forgive you. But if you came back and didn't tip, you wouldn't get good service ever again. You could complain all you want, but as far as I was concerned, the restaurant was better off without your patronship. Is this presumptuous of me? Yes, but I found that most people who don't tip (or tip poorly) are also inconsiderate in other areas. For example, they tie up a table for hours (preventing turnover, a key to both the wait-staff's and a restaurant's success) and/or they order very low-priced items. In other words, the restaurant loses money serving them.

So, if you decide not to tip at a SubWay, that's excusable. By law, Subway must pay minimum wage, if not more, to their employees. These employees do not rely on tips. If they get some, great, but they don't count on them as their pay. In contrast, most wait-people do count on tips, VERY much so. For you not to tip is like asking them to essentially work for free.

Could these wait-people get another job? Yes, but I would argue that you could get another job that pays you more so as well. And that extra money you earn could be used to tip better!


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Old 05-15-2002, 08:52 AM   #42
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Thanks for the reply Dr Who. One thing I would like to add, your words are all very true, but I really think the problem here with restaurants in particular, is that THEY dont pay anywhere near a suitable wage for so many of their staff. Hotels can be the same.
The whole concept of tipping to me is way out. In an ideal world, the wages of that person serving you should be enough. Then on top of that, as a thankyou for good service, the patron gives a tip. We now live in a society where tipping is so customary that it is expected, and the big winners are those who avoid paying a good and decent wage to those who do quite hard work, simply because they are resting on the notion that the patron will pay extra NOT to tip for great service, but as a pay supplement. I see something very wrong with this. The losers are the patrons who are guilted into paying an extra sum and the staff who HAVE to rely on them to make ends meet. Why these industries aren't more tightly regulated is beyond me. It really is. It should be (and maybe is...?) downright illegal to have a base rate as low as a few measly dollars an hour. A few people here have mentioned how nowadays it is factored into the award. What the?

So what do we tip for? It sounds to me like it isn't really for good service a lot of the time.

v. tipped, tip∑ping, tips
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a. To give a tip to: tipped the waiter generously.
b. To give as a tip: He tipped a dollar and felt that it was enough.

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I tip my waiters 20%, and here's why:

Waiters make shit for money, less than minimum wage, and they depend on their tips. They also have to endure long, weird hours and countless thankless customers who work them to death and show no gratuity. I have worked in food service, and I know exactly what this is like, so I treat them as I would be treated. Generally, waiters will remember a good tipper and give good service the next time they serve that person. Sometimes, when the waiter sucks, and I mean really sucks, I will tip 2 cents, but that's only happened two or three times in my life.

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I usually tip about %20, for similar reasons to those just mentioned by Not George Lucas
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Old 05-16-2002, 01:34 AM   #45
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I just want to thank everyone especially the posters who have or do work in that industry for helping me understand the real deal here...as they say "when in Rome.."

I think I can find a way to make sure that the tip is balanced and fair everytime.

Good topic BTW!

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