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Old 03-04-2006, 12:52 PM   #1
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Thoughts on Paul McCartney's criticism of the Atlantic Canadian seal hunt?

Paul McCartney and his wife appeared on Larry King last night to present their rather misconstrued views of the seal hunt. Newfoundland & Labrador's premier, Danny Williams, appeared on the final half of the show to give the other side of the story. Here's the run-down, if you missed it.

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Newfoundland and Labrador Premier Danny Williams took on ex-Beatle Paul McCartney and his wife during a heated debate Friday night over the Canadian seal hunt, accusing the high-profile couple of being misinformed and used by some animal rights groups.

"My concern here is that the McCartneys are not completely informed," Williams said during the debate aired on CNN's Larry King Live.

McCartney, who along with his wife Heather Mills McCartney visited seal pups in the Gulf of St. Lawrence Thursday, has joined a tradition of international celebrities seeking to bring pressure on the Canadian and Atlantic provincial governments to stop the centuries-old hunt.

They have called the hunt inhumane and a stain on Canada's reputation.

Williams, who appeared on the last half of the broadcast, immediately challenged Mills McCartney's assertion that most seals are clubbed. In fact, Williams said, 90 per cent are killed by bullet.

He said the hunt is carried out humanely, and that it is supported by scientists, veterinarians and organizations like the UN and the World Wildlife Fund.

Williams argued that the seal population has tripled from two million to 5.8 million. He said if that is allowed to continue the "inhumane consequence of that is that these seals will starve."

Mills McCartney interjected to say that it's completely normal for there to be millions of seals.

McCartney said that in the 1950s and 60s, there was an over culling of the seal population where they dropped to a dangerously low level. Over the last three years, he said, that level of killing is happening again.

"Even though at this moment in time there may be enough seals, the population could drop in the same way as it did in the 50s and 60s," McCartney said.

Williams said only three per cent of the seals have been taken.

The most heated exchanges occurred between Mills and Williams.

When King asked Mills McCartney to respond on the number of seals actually killed by bullets, she replied : "It's just not true. It's complete and absolute rubbish."

Williams repeated that Mills McCartney was incorrect. "I have to set the record straight. I live here and I actually know."

Video of seals being clubbed to death during past hunts was shown several times during the show.

Williams rejected McCartney's premise that no reasonable person who saw footage of the hunt would say it's humane.

Williams said if you go into any slaughterhouse and put white sheets on the floor, "then you're going to see blood. And that's not nice and that's not pleasant."

Williams went on to say that the couple is being used by organizations like the IFAW, Greenpeace and PETA who raise hundreds of millions of dollars. He added that the FBI has terrorist files on these groups.

But Mills McCartney slammed Williams for going off on a tangent.

"Why are you not sticking to the seal hunt? The fact that it's used for fashion, the fact that they are inhumanely killed."

"Why don't you stick to the subject. You're such a politician. You keep going off on irrelevant things."

"This is about propaganda," Williams responded. "This is about using superstars like your husband."

After the debate, Williams said he felt he made inroads.

"They seemed to get defensive at times which I think was good from our perspective because it showed that we were making our points."

Thoughts? I personally felt that the McCartneys came across as idiots. Particularly McCartney's wife. I've seen the poverty in Newfoundland, and trust me, it's not a pretty sight. If the seal hunt was completely put to an end, there would be many Atlantic Canadians who simply would not be able to survive without heavy government assistance. The hunt has supported the backbone of Newfoundland's economy for centuries. I'd like to see Paul McCartney look a poor Newfoundland sealer in the eyes and tell him that he wants to deprive him of his main source of income because "it's cruel."

And whether or not sealing is "cruel" is another issue entirely. McCartney and his wife bleated on about the poor baby seals that get clubbed to death. For one thing, clubbing is NOT the principle means of slaughter. It happens, but not to the extent that the McCartneys were suggesting. And while the seals that get killed are young, they are NOT the fluffy wide-eyed white coats that most people think they are. Slaughter of white coats has been illegal since 1987. Yet, these animal rights campaigns and activists still use the image to this day. It pulls on the heartstrings, and anything that pulls on the heartstrings pulls on the wallet. It's as simple as that.

Another issue is that of fur. The McCartneys argued that the seals only get killed for their fur. McCartney's wife claimed that one can't compare the slaughter of seals to the slaughter of chicken and cows for food because, apparently, people are only interested in the coats. I'd like to take her by the hand and show her the shops here in Newfoundland that specialise in, (can you believe it, Heather!) seal meat. There are people all over Atlantic Canada who still consume seal. Seal meat is also exported to other countries, so that argument falls down completely. Not to mention that oil created from seal blubber is a significant export. Looks like the poor little seals aren't just killed for their coats, after all.

If you want to know the truth about the seal hunt, have a look here:

http://www.releases.gov.nl.ca/releas...aq/sealing.htm

I think Paul McCartney should stick to making music, rather than making a fool of himself on national television. I especially enjoyed it when he claimed he was currently "in Newfoundland" and the scroll at the bottom of the screen read that was actually in Prince Edward Island.
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I didn't watch Larry King so I'm not sure if the fisheries were brought up but the media articles haven't even touched on the fact that baby seals grow up and eat all the fish which is the area's primary industry and source of income.
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I watched it and you are correct Gibby, McCartney looked foolish assuming you know the facts, and when he started talking about the 50's and 60's, I was like ok now you are totally lost. It sounded like they got all their info from a ant-sealing brochure from the early '80s.

And Larry was sad to watch, didn't even make an effort to pronounce the name of the province correctly. Heather McCartney is truly annoying, she would ask Williams a question but not stop talking long enough to let him answer.

I respect celebrities such as Bono or Angelina Jolie who are actively involved at the grass roots of activism but showing up for photo-ops is just sad.
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Why did Larry keep referring to it as New Finland? Can the man read?

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I didn't watch Larry King so I'm not sure if the fisheries were brought up but the media articles haven't even touched on the fact that baby seals grow up and eat all the fish which is the area's primary industry and source of income.
Yes, it was brought up repeatedly and the McCartneys claimed that it wasn't the seals that were overeating, but that the fisheries were overfishing. When the premier pointed out that Newfoundland now has the problem of the seals entering fresh water reservoirs and rivers and eating up the fish there because they've exhausted the ocean cod, the McCartneys ignored him.

The most ludicrous thing of all was that they suggested that not only would sealers not go out of business but that they could prosper by introducing eco tourism which would mainly consist of spending thousands of dollars on Goretex parkas so that you could go and walk around on ice sheets in Labrador looking at the seals. These people are completely out of touch with reality if they think this will be a commercial success on par with the seal and fishery industry of the Maritimes.

They both sounded like idiots but Heather in particular is so bloody irritating and militant that I can't stand listening to her.
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Fame is a currency that can be poorly spent if you are uninformed. McCartney should avoid PETA like reactions to the issues.
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I don't like PETA. They sensationalize everything in the name of kindness to animals. It's ridiculous. I don't think they care about animals at all, they are just trying to get publicity for their organization, to hell with animals.
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I felt this comic was appropriate...

beware the moral highground.
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If he really cared Paul McCartney would "bribe" the good citizens of Newfoundland to stop the hunt. He could pay all those who would normally hunt and it would be like a grain of sand on a beach. McCartney's an ass. When he played a concert in Winnipeg the locals that were employed for the setup/teardown were NOT ALLOWED to consume any kind of meat product or they would be fired. He's a politically correct facist. Because of this I never went to the show, however I did order a small hamburger from a Mcdonald's across the street from the stadium and ate it while listening to "Yesterday" from the parking lot - just to spite the fucker. It felt good.
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Why did Larry keep referring to it as New Finland? Can the man read?



Yes, it was brought up repeatedly and the McCartneys claimed that it wasn't the seals that were overeating, but that the fisheries were overfishing. When the premier pointed out that Newfoundland now has the problem of the seals entering fresh water reservoirs and rivers and eating up the fish there because they've exhausted the ocean cod, the McCartneys ignored him.

The most ludicrous thing of all was that they suggested that not only would sealers not go out of business but that they could prosper by introducing eco tourism which would mainly consist of spending thousands of dollars on Goretex parkas so that you could go and walk around on ice sheets in Labrador looking at the seals. These people are completely out of touch with reality if they think this will be a commercial success on par with the seal and fishery industry of the Maritimes.

They both sounded like idiots but Heather in particular is so bloody irritating and militant that I can't stand listening to her.
At least Larry wasn't saying "New-found-lund."

That whole eco-tourism thing was just insane. There is absolutely no demand for it here whatsoever. How many visitors to this province would seriously consider wasting money on gear they'd likely use once, just to see a few seals lazing about? And how could those two even think that it could ever match the same kind of revenue that the seal hunt creates for Atlantic Canada? Completely out of touch.

Heather McCartney made me feel like overturning the television set. She was so disrespectful towards Premier Williams. I don't like the guy myself, but he's a Premier. You don't constantly interrupt the man and call his facts "rubbish." Even Larry King was disrespectful to him, calling him by his first name and telling him to wait for Heather to speak, then not even batting an eyelid when she interrupted him. All of them were so unbelievably rude.

It's nice to see that reactions to this interview have been in favour of Danny Williams, so far. I've only seen one person supporting the McCartneys in a blog, and she was a member of PETA.
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"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. "

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"People of the same trade seldom meet together, even for merriment and diversion, but the conversation ends in a conspiracy against the public, or in some contrivance to raise prices. It is impossible indeed to prevent such meetings, by any law which either could be executed, or would be consistent with liberty and justice. But though the law cannot hinder people of the same trade from sometimes assembling together, it ought to do nothing to facilitate such assemblies; much less to render them necessary. "

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Declare war on the cod cartel!!!
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"Approximately 850 million people worldwide are malnourished. Children are the most visible victims of malnutrition. Malnutrition plays a role in at least half of the 10.9 million child deaths each year--five million deaths. These young children are prematurely— and needlessly— lost."

~From World Hunger Facts 2006


Since some super wealthy stars seem to be interested in other causes, lets hope some of us will take on this one.
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It makes me even more proud of what Bono is doing.

If you are like me, old enough to have grown up in the era of the activists, Bono is the only one getting anything done.

And he's the only one respected by the left and by the White House, and by not being compromised, just being real and informed.

I did see Macca and Heather of Larry KIng and I thought it was typical.

Bono has never been typical in this sense......

Maybe singing Miracle Drug, yes, but not in this case.
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Killing humanly It shows how low we get,....
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mccartney and his wife are tools, and you don't have to look much further than this episode to realize that.
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