U2democrat said:Frightening. Simply frightening.
U2democrat said:Very true. We liberals are clinically insane people.
drhark said:I know W and I are just simpletons, but by big ideas I mean things like freedom. The alternative to freedom in the Middle East is the status quo which is unacceptable. W had the balls to break the status Quo post 9/11. Yes, there is the prospect of failure but I hope to God there isn't and so should you. Personally I bet on the desire of most people to be free and live in peace. But that's just the secular humanist in me.
This is dead on. I would not be so inclined to vote Republican if, say, Rudy Guiliani ran for president, being that he doesn't represent conservative social stances on key issues. Also, his extramarital affair is a bit of a turn off too. I don't want someone to manage our country if he can't even manage his own marriage.drhark said:Correct. The ideas of the party are what keeps winning elections. Clinton was a great personality and was elected despite the ideas of the Democratic Party
Macfistowannabe said:This is dead on. I would not be so inclined to vote Republican if, say, Rudy Guiliani ran for president, being that he doesn't represent conservative social stances on key issues. Also, his extramarital affair is a bit of a turn off too. I don't want someone to manage our country if he can't even manage his own marriage.
Umm... Never claimed to vote for Kerry. I hope that helps.BonoVoxSupastar said:Wait didn't you claim to have voted for Kerry, but was fine with Bush winning? So if you believe in the ideas of the party why didn't you vote for Bush? So are you saying you voted based on Kerry's "personality"? Now I'll be the first to admit Kerry is one of the least "personalities" in the Democratic party. So I'm confused.
Yeah my bad I had you confused with someone else, apparently it's too late, I need to get bed. Sorry.Macfistowannabe said:Umm... Never claimed to vote for Kerry. I hope that helps.
drhark said:Correct. The ideas of the party are what keeps winning elections. Clinton was a great personality and was elected despite the ideas of the Democratic Party
FullonEdge2 said:Well you have to admit you have some scary ideas
Do Miss America said:
Simpleton is right. I love this "you don't stand for freedom if you don't believe in this war" bullshit, it makes me laugh. Then basically you would have been for any invasion of any country not living in freedom? Where to next? Come on let's put another country into war so they can live free. There's a whole list to choose from and apparantly we don't even need a reason, that's the beauty of it. You are right Bush had the balls to show the world that the USA doesn't need shit for justification. Go W.
Yes it's still theory.drhark said:
Freedom will be a product of our efforts over there if we succeed, and Peace follows freedom. Thats the concept.
Well it ends up he didn't have WMDs but others do. Hmmm maybe keeping the inspectors would have saved us a lot of time, energy, and money.drhark said:
It would be nice if we could play superman and topple all dictatorships but a this point we strictly limit it to dictatorships that are a threat to our national security.
Don't buy it.drhark said:
But I'll do a one up on another famous simpleton and change his lyrics to "All You Need is Freedom". To me, that trumps the original.
But you're still describing a lot of countries. Don't kid yourself this is not the reason we went to war. It was never a reason given by Bush and Co it was always WMDs. If it was humanitary reasons there are several other places to give our energy before Iraq. We went into Iraq to create a front in a frontless war, WMDs just an excuse. People fell for it.drhark said:
Again, I believe the status quo (poverty, corruption, terrorism, etc.) was unacceptable and I've yet to hear how the status quo would would be any different if we didn't go in.
drhark said:
I'll take it a step further and ask the question of what the world would be like had we not gone into Vietnam? or any war for that matter? We can only guess. My guess would be quite different than yours I imagine.
Do Miss America said:
People fell for it.
Okay, in my personal opinion, radical left and radical right are both a wee bit terrifying.dazzledbylight said:
Compared to the Neo-cons, and the Far Right Theocratic wings {oh- btw I'm not an aetheist} of The Republican Party???
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Do Miss America said:Yes it's still theory.
Well it ends up he didn't have WMDs but others do. Hmmm maybe keeping the inspectors would have saved us a lot of time, energy, and money.
Do Miss America said:
But you're still describing a lot of countries. Don't kid yourself this is not the reason we went to war. It was never a reason given by Bush and Co it was always WMDs. If it was humanitary reasons there are several other places to give our energy before Iraq. We went into Iraq to create a front in a frontless war, WMDs just an excuse. People fell for it.
drhark said:
He kicked the inspectors out. He let them back in when we threatened war
BonoVoxSupastar said:
And then we took them out to strike, little prematrue don't you think?
You can convince yourself all you want about why. The truth is our reason were not noble. It wasn't about freedom. There are many on the list that would have needed this before Iraq.
Macfistowannabe said:Okay, in my personal opinion, radical left and radical right are both a wee bit terrifying.
dazzledbylight said:
then again the republicans in general have pushed the general parameters of the Left to Right Continiumso Far to the Right ,
dazzledbylight said:
well, I'm not a full-on throttle radical leftist -- but then again the republicans in general have pushed the general parameters of the Left to Right Continiumso Far to the Right , that what was considered oh 'liberal' Repupublican like Mayor John Lindsey >who was approved of in the then Republican Party]of NYC mid-late 60's [ i realize alot of you have never heard of him, but no other person comes to my mind quickly] is considered close to fairly left-leaning Democrat today maybe even 'worse' by some standards.
Sorry...brain is ...slowing...down....getting...late...
I'm a proud Liberal Democratic with a bit of Leftist in me , as well.