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Old 12-29-2005, 02:11 PM   #1
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This is Why I SF is so messed up.

Ok we know that there is supposed to be a seperation of Church and state. Well a few years ago, after 9/11 a school district allowed the teaching of islam in schools. This is BS if someone decided to teach about Jesus or Johovah, etc... The ACLU would be all over them.

fucking 9th circuit court. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=48107
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:24 PM   #2
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ACLU bashing...great.

This has nothing to do with the ACLU, but boy conservatives love to bash it any chance they get.

As to the subject. When I was in school, Christianity and Judaism were taught in a historical context. I see no problem if Muslim is taught the same way.

It's hard to tell if this is ciriculum over reaching it's boundaries or parents over re-acting from the article.
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Old 12-29-2005, 02:27 PM   #3
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Just remember

BonoVox The ACLU supported NAMBLA a pedophile group. I am a Democrat conservative and damn proud of it.
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BonoVox The ACLU supported NAMBLA a pedophile group.
This is a huge mishandling of information. Support and defending are two entirely different things. I may not support what you say but I will defend your right to say it.

The ACLU has defended many "public enemies" from ex-criminals to Jerry Falwell.

But this is another subject for another time.
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I hate to break it to you....but the teaching of religion is NOT against the separation of Church and State.

There are curriculums being taught about Christianity as well. The teaching of world religions is acceptable as long as they are being treated equally.

A "SIMULATION" is an acceptable way to teach. I have read every link atttached to your article. and sure enough they are being treated equally

[Q]7.2 Students analyze the geographic, political, economic, religious, and social structures of the civilizations of Islam in the Middle Ages.


Identify the physical features and describe the climate of the Arabian peninsula, its relationship to surrounding bodies of land and water, and nomadic and sedentary ways of life.

Trace the origins of Islam and the life and teachings of Mohammad, including Islamic teachings on the connection with Judaism and Christianity.

Explain the significance of the Koran and the Sunnah as the primary sources of Islamic beliefs, practice, and law, and their influence in Muslims' daily life.

Discuss the expansion of Muslim rule through military conquests and treaties, emphasizing the cultural blending within Muslim civilization and the spread and acceptance of Islam and the Arabic language.

Describe the growth of cities and the establishment of trade routes among Asia, Africa, and Europe, the products and inventions that traveled along these routes (e.g., spices, textiles, paper, steel, new crops), and the role of merchants in Arab society.

Understand the intellectual exchanges among Muslim scholars of Eurasia and Africa and the contributions Muslim scholars made to later civilizations in the areas of science, geography, mathematics, philosophy, medicine, art, and literature.[/Q]


the state guidelines encourage teachers to use [Q]"simulations, role playing and dramatizations"[/Q]

and as for Christianity

[Q]"6. Note the origins of Christianity in the Jewish-Messianic Prophecies, the life and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth as described in the New Testament, and the contribution of St. Paul the Apostle to the definition and spread of Christian beliefs (e.g., belief in the Trinity, resurrection, salvation)."[/Q]

All from the State Board of Education Guidelines as to how teachers are supposed to teach and what they are supposed to teach.

http://www.cde.ca.gov/be/st/ss/index.asp

Now the fact that this became an issue after 9-11 is VERY telling.

The article in my opinion is an inflamatory piece of poo.

This thread is close to it.

You attack San Fransisco in your thread title, funny, they are doing what the state asked them to do.
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FYI the Board of Education also recommends the teaching of Eastern Religions and Culture as well as Judiasm.

All treated equally.

Much ado about nothing.
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Now the fact that this became an issue after 9-11 is VERY telling.

The article in my opinion is an inflamatory piece of poo.

This thread is close to it.
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Here is a blog for you Justin. Unless this is where you got the idea for your thread.

http://stoptheaclu.com/archives/2005...ublic-schools/
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Now, all of this said, I would require a permission slip to be signed by the parents that would give permission for their child to be a part of the simulation.

Simulations are particularly powerful teaching tools, and I think it is within my rights as a parent to be allowed to decide if this is too much for my child.

There are many ways to teach a curriculum.
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I got it from WND.
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Okay, as someone who teaches both world geography and world civilization to high school sophomores I role play all the time. However, I would never consider making students fast or play "jihad games" for a grade. What the hell is a jihad game anyway?

Like Dreadsox suggested: permission slips all the way. The fasting would have to be optional.

And for the record, my school board would have a fit if I taught Islam this way.
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Jihad is like a call to war, destroy the infidels???
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Quote:
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I got it from WND.
WND has an agenda

if you want to be well informed
this site is not a very good source



required to pray to Allah - not quite
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Let's remember this "jihadist games", "become Muslims", and "required to fast", etc are all quotes from alamists parents.

Alarmist parents from a period of post 9/11 racism.
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That WND site is funny, I almost thought I was reading the Onion.
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