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Old 04-28-2004, 11:23 AM   #1
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This Is Not A MiddleEast Problem

Scores killed in Thailand clashes

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PATTANI, Thailand - Police gunned down scores of machete-wielding militants who stormed more than a dozen security outposts Wednesday, the bloodiest day yet in Thailand's troubled Muslim-dominated south. The death toll stood at least 112.

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No group claimed responsibility for the highly coordinated assault by possibly hundreds of young militants, although past violence has been blamed on separatists seeking to carve a homeland in the Muslim-majority south of this predominantly Buddhist country.
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First the Philippines, now Thailand. What a mess!
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This Is Not A MiddleEast Problem
So the implication is that it's a Muslim problem?

(I'm asking if that's what you're implying, not assuming that's what you mean.)
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It's a fanatic militant problem...
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So the implication is that it's a Muslim problem?

(I'm asking if that's what you're implying, not assuming that's what you mean.)
The militant element of Islam is not isolated to the Middle East. It is showing up in Europe and has come to arms in the Far East.

Separately, it is a problem for Muslims at large as the "problem" is not the voice of a few, isolated "leaders".
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Isn't fanaticism a universal problem? Sure, more Muslims have been in the press doing this stuff, but there are Hindu fanatics in India, Jewish fanatics in Israel, the U.S. and other countries, Christian fanatics...........it's all over.
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While the statement "fanaticism is universal a problem" is true, it glosses over what is becoming less of a localized "problem" or a problem with an acceptable common denominator.
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While the statement "fanaticism is universal a problem" is true, it glosses over what is becoming less of a localized "problem" or a problem with an acceptable common denominator.
Is it, or is this how it's being portrayed?
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Isn't fanaticism a universal problem? Sure, more Muslims have been in the press doing this stuff, but there are Hindu fanatics in India, Jewish fanatics in Israel, the U.S. and other countries, Christian fanatics...........it's all over.
Exactly.

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This particular problem seems to be ethnic. The Muslims are a group along the Malaysian border who have been repressed by the majority Thais. They don't have the same traditional language, but their kids have to speak Thai at school because politically they live in Thailand. It seems like the problem may be partially the Thai government, and not wholly that of the Muslims. Unfortunately, ethnic disputes are also universal.
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Is it, or is this how it's being portrayed?
You tell me.
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Not all Muslims are terrorists, a lot of terrorists happen to be Muslim.
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Not all Muslims are terrorists, a lot of terrorists happen to be Muslim.
I think this is true. It'd be terribly unfair to accuse all Muslims of being terrorists, but it is true that many terrorists happen to be Muslim.
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I think this is true. It'd be terribly unfair to accuse all Muslims of being terrorists, but it is true that many terrorists happen to be Muslim.
Why is it that when talk of militant Islam appears, we start walking on egg shells with talk of:

fanatic militancy in general is the problem
There have been evil Christians (and don't forget the crusades)
Not all muslims are terrorists
Etc.

We become so sensitive to the implications of how we describe a problem that we become blind to the problem.
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Why is it that when talk of militant Islam appears, we start walking on egg shells with talk of:

fanatic militancy in general is the problem
There have been evil Christians (and don't forget the crusades)
Not all muslims are terrorists
Etc.

We become so sensitive to the implications of how we describe a problem that we become blind to the problem.
Perhaps. The problem, as I see it, is not Islam as a whole, but rather, the Wahhabist sect within the Sunni Islamic tradition. This is the primary brand of militant Islam. Unfortunately, Wahhabism has spread out enough to create problems in many parts of the globe. It started out as a tool of the tribal Arabic aristocracy, and now it's just a monster.
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