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Old 09-14-2001, 10:22 AM   #16
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Many Americans (including a good number of Interferencers) want to see heads roll. No, actually many Americans want to see heads burn. That is revenge, and it's barbarism.

It's interesting that people in their frustration pontificate and spew angry verbiage about the cycle of violence in the Middle East and yet these very same people propose to cure this cycle of violence with.... violence.
How dare you insult the people of this nation (many of whom have lost loved ones) at a time like this by calling them "barbarous" and using negative words like "pontificate" and "spew". It's been less than a week, man! Are you trying to tell me that you don't understand America's (and especially the victims' families) desire to see "heads roll" or "heads burn"!! How in the HELL can you be so insensitive? You come on here and insult the people of this country, all the while saying "Violence is not the answer, violence is not the answer". Well, open your eyes, blind man. Your perfect world doesn't exist. IT HASN"T SINCE ADAM AND EVE ATE THE APPLE! Terrorism is a disease that must be completely cured. A bandaid will not help. If terrorist groups are not completely destroyed and prevented from happening again, this kind of monstrosity will happen again and again and again. I am tired of you.
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How dare you insult the people of this nation (many of whom have lost loved ones) at a time like this by calling them "barbarous" and using negative words like "pontificate" and "spew". It's been less than a week, man! Are you trying to tell me that you don't understand America's (and especially the victims' families) desire to see "heads roll" or "heads burn"!! How in the HELL can you be so insensitive? You come on here and insult the people of this country, all the while saying "Violence is not the answer, violence is not the answer". Well, open your eyes, blind man. Your perfect world doesn't exist. IT HASN"T SINCE ADAM AND EVE ATE THE APPLE! Terrorism is a disease that must be completely cured. A bandaid will not help. If terrorist groups are not completely destroyed and prevented from happening again, this kind of monstrosity will happen again and again and again. I am tired of you.
80's, that's one of your favorite comebacks -- that I've insulted you, or gun-owners or Evangelical Christians. This time I've apparently insulted "the people of this Nation."

Funny, you then proceed to insult me in your post.

You've used the "insult" accusation many times when responding to me but the fact is you just can't deal with someone who's views are so radically different and diametrically opposed to yours. You and I are cosmos apart in our thinking, there's no doubt about that.

You can't stand me because I'm one person to whom you can't use another one of your favorite lines, which goes something like this: "[Name of Interferencer you've been arguing with], despite our differences, I would bet that we agree about more things than we disagree.."

When you decide to grow up maybe we discuss the issues, but I'm not holding my breath.



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Old 09-14-2001, 11:02 AM   #18
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Funny, you then proceed to insult me in your post.

You've used the "insult" accusation many times when responding to me but the fact is you just can't deal with someone who's views are so radically different and diametrically opposed to yours. You and I are cosmos apart in our thinking, there's no doubt about that.

When you decide to grow up maybe we discuss the issues, but I'm not holding my breath.
I called you "blind man" - is that the insult you're talking about? How about "insensitive"? If those are insults, I'll admit to it. If you think my point was just some simple little insult here, you're wrong. I was talking about someone who insults people who have been through utter and complete hell at the hands of madmen. If you can't open your heart and understand people's rage, then there's something wrong. And for Heaven's sake, don't be so self righteous and judge them over it! My insult to you was nothing on the scale of how you have insulted those in mourning who understandably want revenge.
And by the way, I get along decently with many people I disagree with. You and Matthew_Page were the only ones I completely lashed out at. And MatthewPage didn't insult a grieving people, he just made me mad. My anger at him may have been over the top and unjustified, but not my disgust with you.
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THAT IS THE MOST ABSURD COMMENT EVER POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE.

I would have to totally agree with this comment!!!

And your right 80's. This isnt some vigilanty witch hunt the US is on it is war and if we want these acts to end we must act with complete and uder percision and knock out any terroist regiems in the world!




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'Anthony, no violent campaign will cure violence.'

How can you say that? Ill tell you what IS interesting, seeing how many idealists are still around. The 21st century is NO time for idealism, and the belief that violence doesn't solve anything is not only idealistic but foolish. Are you saying that the second world war stopped because we all stood around and talked about peace? Of course not, it ended because nuclear bombs were dropped, nations were blasted into oblivion and people were slaughtered. Violence.
Violence can end violence. THere is always a price for peace. You must agree.

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Hitman, bonoman and Anthony...

I think all the dead horses have been thoroughly beaten on Interference today but I wanted to thank you for at least addressing the points I actually made and for not putting words in my mouth. And thank you for being civil. (Although I must say, Hitman, no need to yell at me... I can hear ya loud and clear in your regular voice. )

Anthony, I am a bit surprised at your comments. You're very anti-institution in most cases but your statements here seem to be to the contrary.

Anyway, peace guys.

P.S. The following note was sent to me today, written by a friend of a friend, and many of the ideas here resonate with me:

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I've been wondering, what can I do? How can I be of use during this terrible time in our history? Instead of being devastated by events I have no control over, I've decided the best thing would be to take responsibility where I can. So,

Today I will donate blood

Today I will ask my neighbors and friends how they are and then really
listen.

I'll wear red, white and blue and display a flag on Friday September 14th.

I'll light a candle tonight at 7 p.m. and go outside and be with my neighbors.

I'm praying for peace, praying for the victims and their families, praying
for our leaders. I'm also praying for the terrorists who live in so much
fear and hatred--for they need the most love of all. (In many studies it has been proven that people who are ill and have people praying for them heal faster than those who don't. Think what we as a nation could do if we all prayed.)

If I see an American who is of Middle East background being harassed, I'll speak up. We are all Americans. Some of those who have fled here from the Middle East were seeking freedom and a life of peace--just as I am. Remember how the Japanese/American citizens were treated during World War II? We
don't need to go there again. I will learn from our past mistakes.

These terrible tragedies are a result of ignorance, hatred, and jealousy.
Where do I have hatred, bigotry and jealousy? It's time I cleaned my side of
the street, so to speak. I'm going to say I'm sorry to someone I have harmed. I'll say thank you to someone who has helped me. I'm telling those close to me that I love them. If nothing else, I can use these horrible
events to bring me closer to my community and bring myself some inner peace.

I'll honor the victims of September 11th and all the millions who have died before them as a result of hatred (like during the Holocaust) and be conscious in my own life where I fear others, and where I am intolerant. And just for today, I'll make another choice. I'll smile and silently wish them well, and laugh at myself for being fearful.

That's what I can do today.

Much love to all of you. Each of you has touched my life in some way and I
thank you for making me so fortunate.

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Pub Crawler, I assume you're talking about me when you say "put words in your mouth". But I don't know how direct quoting can be "putting words in your mouth". You wrote the following against Americans expressing thoughts of revenge. There is no doubt that you wrote these things. They are right here on this very thread, in blue and light blue:

“Many Americans (including a good number of Interferencers) want to see heads roll. No, actually many Americans want to see heads burn. That is revenge, and it's BARBARISM.”

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“It's interesting that people in their frustration PONTIFICATE and SPEW angry verbiage about the cycle of violence in the Middle East and yet these very same people propose to cure this cycle of violence with.... violence.”

I have capitalized the terms that I deem insulting to those who want revenge and justice.

You accuse me of not responding to issues you address, but you’ve never told me why I shouldn’t think you were insulting when you used these terms.

I addressed the issues you brought up with me about how well I get along with people I don’t agree with, I addressed the issue in which you state I insulted you. I didn’t adress the “eye for an eye” issue, because my point is that the “eye for an eye” is not about war, and then you turn around and say that people use it to justify war all the time. I didn’t respond because I have no issue with that. But I will respond now, since you don’t seem to get it. Here is my response for your statemne that people do use the “eye for an eye” to justify war. Asre you ready? Here it is. Read carefully:

“I don’t care what other people use for a justification for war. “An eye for an eye” is something I have never used to justify war. The thing I use to justify war is the need for justice.”

There, I ahve adressed it.Are you happy?
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80s, honestly, any desire I may have had to engage in dialogue with you is lost. It's lost because I feel your words toward me are often mean-spirited, disrespectful, and, yes, at times even childish. But the biggest issue I have with you is that you often spin my words to mean something completely different than what I intended. You leave me scratching my head a LOT.

This last post of your appears to be hostile, but I’m going to pretend it’s not and I’m going to respond to it. I could be making a mistake because I expect that you’re going to come back and slam me, but I’ll take that chance. It’s only a discussion forum.

Your words to me:
"You wrote the following against Americans expressing thoughts of revenge..."

My response:
80s, your phrasing here is exactly one of the problems. I'm not writing a damn thing "against Americans." You make it sound as though I'm some sort of traitor to the country. I am writing a statement against mass killing of innocent people. Yes, my statement is relevant now because of the events this week. And of course, since we Americans are the ones who are likely to bomb a foreign land as revenge for the crimes committed against our Nation this week, my statement applies to us. But it also applies to the terrorists who committed Tuesday's atrocities. As for my use of the word "Barbarianism," yes, if Americans or anyone else on planet Earth wants to go into another country and carpet bomb (for example), killing innocent people for the sins of a few, then yes, I believe that is barbaric behavior. The terrorists who attacked the U.S. Tuesday were BARBARIANS!

If we do carpet bomb Afghanistan and you don't consider that action to be barbaric, then fine! Then you can tell me you disagree with me and even give reasons why but please, don't put your own peculiar spin on it and imply that I'm anti-American. I tend to be a pacifist so I find any kind of killing appalling. I am anti-killing, whether the killing is done by the government of Haiti, France, the U.S., Afghanistan, Timbuktu, or anywhere else!

I wrote this:
“It's interesting that people in their frustration pontificate and spew angry verbiage about the cycle of violence in the Middle East and yet these very same people propose to cure this cycle of violence with.... violence.”

And you responded with this:
"How dare you insult the people of this nation (many of whom have lost loved ones) at a time like this by calling them "barbarous" and using negative words like "pontificate" and "spew". It's been less than a week, man! Are you trying to tell me that you don't understand America's (and especially the victims' families) desire to see "heads roll" or "heads burn"!! How in the HELL can you be so insensitive? You come on here and insult the people of this country, all the while saying "Violence is not the answer, violence is not the answer". Well, open your eyes, blind man. Your perfect world doesn't exist. IT HASN"T SINCE ADAM AND EVE ATE THE APPLE! Terrorism is a disease that must be completely cured. A bandaid will not help. If terrorist groups are not completely destroyed and prevented from happening again, this kind of monstrosity will happen again and again and again. I am tired of you."

My response:
80's, I honestly am at a loss to explain how you came up with that interpretation of my words. You're angry with me because I "use negative words like ‘pontificate’ and ‘spew’? What the hell are you talking about???? I simply stated that violence does not cure violence, and once again you put your spin on my words and told me flat out that I don't have any sympathy for the families of the victims (your word was "insensitive"). I was making a statement about killing and war, specifically in the Middle East, and as it relates to the events of this week. But mostly, I was talking about the posts I have been reading that are written by your average person on your average discussion board. My statement had nothing to do with the victims or their families. Frankly, I would apply that same statement to any ongoing war on this planet – violence does not cure violence.

You wrote this:
"I addressed the issue in which you state I insulted you..."

My response:
Yes, you did address it by insulting me further. I'll give you that.

You wrote this:
"But I will respond now, since you don’t seem to get it. Here is my response for your statemne that people do use the “eye for an eye” to justify war. Asre you ready? Here it is. Read carefully..."

My response:
There you go with your sarcasm again. Why do you find it so necessary to be condescending to me??? So hateful?

I'm tired of writing. 80's, it's your choice. If you want to be civil and engage in dialogue, then fine, we can do that. But if you're going to continue with your insults, condescending language, and telling me in every other post that I am offending you or some group of people who share a given ideology, then I think it would be better for my peace of mind and yours if we didn't address each other at all on this discussion board. The negativity really wears me out.
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I've been in and out of interference for the past year. I try to get on as much as I can. I'd like to become a regular one-day if you guys and gals would have me.

I'm an active duty United States Sailor. FC2(SW) Alexander.

80sU2istheBest, Anthony, Hitman, bonoman, and, Miss MacPhisto I love you guys!

pub crawler!

I don't know if you’re an American or not. But, being able to express your opinion on a format like this is pretty nice isn't? I think we don't step back and think about that enough. Not everybody in the world can do what we're doing right now. If you stop and think about it, add up all the countries in the world who have the freedom we have here in the United States. Not to many.

FREEDOM IS NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A LUXURY THAT I'M WILLING TO DIE FOR.

I've been here in Great Lakes, IL, for a month now. I just came from a Ship that I was attached to for 5 years. I'm going to be a RDC(Recruit Division Commander) for boot camp. Kind of like a Drill Sergeant. If I'm given the choice to go back to a ship when all this pans out,..... I'm out of here.

I will not hesitate to push that button and launch that missile
(That’s what I do by the way...I'm the guy who actually pushes the button after a order is giving to me....can't tell you much more than that).
If they let me, I'll push it twice everytime. One for each Tower!!

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Justice would be served by bringing the perpertrators to trial in a court of law, but if that isn't possible I think justice would be served if we imposed sanctions against the country of which the
perpetrator(s) are citizens. That's one option. There are others.
Bleeding hearts frustrate me during normal life, but right now it just makes me want to stick a fork in my eye. ARGH!

That's absolutely not an option, pub_crawler. No way. Of course the obvious reason is that it does absolutely nothing to stop these grass-roots fundamentalist wackos. If you believe arresting and imprisoning Bin Laden and a few other associates would have any significant affect on terrorism you're sorely mistaken. But I'll present the somewhat less obvious reason that arrest or sanctions are absolutely no good.

Bin Laden is imprisoned and Afghanistan faces serious sanctions against it. Okay, now do you want to be one of the people who is taken hostage by some group demanding that the sanctions be lifted and Bin Laden be released? Do you not think that would ultimately happen? I can almost assure you it would. But hey, that's okay...if you're taken hostage you'll have a chance to sit down and talk it out with them. Maybe they'll listen. Then when you get up to take your place back on the floor they'll shoot you in the back. Now you're dead. Good thing we placed sanctions on Afghanistan. You know what else happens? Likely every American in that scenario dies one way or the other. Either because sanctions aren't lifted and that's their response, or because Bin Laden is released and they kill everyone anyway...we're the Great Satan you know...gotta die.
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Hello everyone!

I've been in and out of interference for the past year. I try to get on as much as I can. I'd like to become a regular one-day if you guys and gals would have me.

I'm an active duty United States Sailor. FC2(SW) Alexander.

80sU2istheBest, Anthony, Hitman, bonoman, and, Miss MacPhisto I love you guys!

pub crawler!

I don't know if you’re an American or not. But, being able to express your opinion on a format like this is pretty nice isn't? I think we don't step back and think about that enough. Not everybody in the world can do what we're doing right now. If you stop and think about it, add up all the countries in the world who have the freedom we have here in the United States. Not to many.

FREEDOM IS NOT A RIGHT, IT'S A LUXURY THAT I'M WILLING TO DIE FOR.

I've been here in Great Lakes, IL, for a month now. I just came from a Ship that I was attached to for 5 years. I'm going to be a RDC(Recruit Division Commander) for boot camp. Kind of like a Drill Sergeant. If I'm given the choice to go back to a ship when all this pans out,..... I'm out of here.

I will not hesitate to push that button and launch that missile
(That’s what I do by the way...I'm the guy who actually pushes the button after a order is giving to me....can't tell you much more than that).
If they let me, I'll push it twice everytime. One for each Tower!!

GOD BLESS AMERICA


Jaysus, dude, are you sure your name isn't Supreme Cutlass??

Just kiddin', whammy, welcome back(?) to the board. Make yourself at home.


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[b] I think we should find the perpetrators. I think we should be 100% sure we've got the right people before we take action. I think the people who plotted this assault should be brought to justice. That could mean jail time[/b
JAIL TIME?!?!?!?! ARE YOU OUT OF YOUR MIND? JAIL TIME? THEY HAVE ATTACKED OUR FREEDOM, OUR COUNTRY, KILLED THOUSANDS UPON THOUSANDS OF OUR PEOPLE FOR THE SOLE REASON BECAUSE THEY BELIEVE IT IS THEIR DUTY TO DO SO AND YOU RECOMMEND JAIL TIME? THAT IS THE MOST ABSURD COMMENT EVER POSTED ON THIS WEBSITE. IT IS TIME FOR THIS COUNTRY TO FINALLY STAND UP FOR ITSELF. IF THIS HAPPENED TO ANY OTHER COUNTRY IN THE WORLD WAR WOULD HAVE BEEN DECLARED IMMEDIATELY. THE USA HAS TO SEND A MESSAGE, A HARD AND EXTREMELY SERIOUS MESSAGE THAT WE WILL NOT TOLERATE THIS. PUTTING A FEW PEOPLE IN JAIL WILL NOT ACCOMPLISH THIS.
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Bin Laden is imprisoned and Afghanistan faces serious sanctions against it. Okay, now do you want to be one of the people who is taken hostage by some group demanding that the sanctions be lifted and Bin Laden be released? Do you not think that would ultimately happen? I can almost assure you it would. But hey, that's okay...if you're taken hostage you'll have a chance to sit down and talk it out with them. Maybe they'll listen. Then when you get up to take your place back on the floor they'll shoot you in the back. Now you're dead. Good thing we placed sanctions on Afghanistan. You know what else happens? Likely every American in that scenario dies one way or the other. Either because sanctions aren't lifted and that's their response, or because Bin Laden is released and they kill everyone anyway...we're the Great Satan you know...gotta die.
Um, Mike buddy, that sure is a lot of "if's, and's and but's." Anyhoo, I'm completely burnt out on debating this stuff. Peace.
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80s, honestly, any desire I may have had to engage in dialogue with you is lost. It's lost because I feel your words toward me are often mean-spirited, disrespectful, and, yes, at times even childish. But the biggest issue I have with you is that you often spin my words to mean something completely different than what I intended. You leave me scratching my head a LOT.

Your words to me:
"You wrote the following against Americans expressing thoughts of revenge..."

My response:
80s, your phrasing here is exactly one of the problems. I'm not writing a damn thing "against Americans." You make it sound as though I'm some sort of traitor to the country. I am writing a statement against mass killing of innocent people. Yes, my statement is relevant now because of the events this week. And of course, since we Americans are the ones who are likely to bomb a foreign land as revenge for the crimes committed against our Nation this week, my statement applies to us. But it also applies to the terrorists who committed Tuesday's atrocities. As for my use of the word "Barbarianism," yes, if Americans or anyone else on planet Earth wants to go into another country and carpet bomb (for example), killing innocent people for the sins of a few, then yes, I believe that is barbaric behavior. The terrorists who attacked the U.S. Tuesday were BARBARIANS!

If we do carpet bomb Afghanistan and you don't consider that action to be barbaric, then fine! Then you can tell me you disagree with me and even give reasons why but please, don't put your own peculiar spin on it and imply that I'm anti-American. I tend to be a pacifist so I find any kind of killing appalling. I am anti-killing, whether the killing is done by the government of Haiti, France, the U.S., Afghanistan, Timbuktu, or anywhere else!

I wrote this:
“It's interesting that people in their frustration pontificate and spew angry verbiage about the cycle of violence in the Middle East and yet these very same people propose to cure this cycle of violence with.... violence.”

And you responded with this:
"How dare you insult the people of this nation (many of whom have lost loved ones) at a time like this by calling them "barbarous" and using negative words like "pontificate" and "spew". It's been less than a week, man! Are you trying to tell me that you don't understand America's (and especially the victims' families) desire to see "heads roll" or "heads burn"!! How in the HELL can you be so insensitive? You come on here and insult the people of this country, all the while saying "Violence is not the answer, violence is not the answer". Well, open your eyes, blind man. Your perfect world doesn't exist. IT HASN"T SINCE ADAM AND EVE ATE THE APPLE! Terrorism is a disease that must be completely cured. A bandaid will not help. If terrorist groups are not completely destroyed and prevented from happening again, this kind of monstrosity will happen again and again and again. I am tired of you."

My response:
80's, I honestly am at a loss to explain how you came up with that interpretation of my words. You're angry with me because I "use negative words like ‘pontificate’ and ‘spew’? What the hell are you talking about???? I simply stated that violence does not cure violence, and once again you put your spin on my words and told me flat out that I don't have any sympathy for the families of the victims (your word was "insensitive"). I was making a statement about killing and war, specifically in the Middle East, and as it relates to the events of this week. But mostly, I was talking about the posts I have been reading that are written by your average person on your average discussion board. My statement had nothing to do with the victims or their families. Frankly, I would apply that same statement to any ongoing war on this planet – violence does not cure violence.

You wrote this:
"I addressed the issue in which you state I insulted you..."

My response:
Yes, you did address it by insulting me further. I'll give you that.

You wrote this:
"But I will respond now, since you don’t seem to get it. Here is my response for your statemne that people do use the “eye for an eye” to justify war. Asre you ready? Here it is. Read carefully..."

My response:
There you go with your sarcasm again. Why do you find it so necessary to be condescending to me??? So hateful?

I'm tired of writing. 80's, it's your choice. If you want to be civil and engage in dialogue, then fine, we can do that. But if you're going to continue with your insults, condescending language, and telling me in every other post that I am offending you or some group of people who share a given ideology, then I think it would be better for my peace of mind and yours if we didn't address each other at all on this discussion board. The negativity really wears me out.
Pub Crawler, I will try to calm down, but it's really hard to do at this pint, because you are being so irrational. I do NOT hate you. Yes, I use sarcasm, but that is because I am frustrated that you refuse to admit what you have done. You talked about your statement about "barbarism" being meant for people who want to go "carpet bombing". Well then, why the heck didn't you say that originally? And on top of that, how many people have you seen on interference asking for "carpet bombing"? I would say zero to none. I didn't see any on this thread. You didn't use the words "carpet bombing" one single time. You stated that wanting REVENGE is "Barbarism". How can that NOT be an insult, especially at a time like this, when thoughts of revenge are so understandable? I will now address the word "spew". It means "to eject from the stomach, to vomit".
"pontificate" is actually a noun meaning "priest, holy, pope", so I can only assume that by using it as a verb, the definition would be "to consider oneself holy". You used "pontificate" and "spew" in conjunction with people who want to apply violence in this situation. Did you or did you not? And who wants to apply violence most in this situation? The American people -many of whom have lost loved ones! Now, can you really sit there in your chair and tell me that you were not insulting the American people by using the words "spew", "pontificate" and "barbarism"? When considering your answer, please remember that at the time your words were stated, the discussion was about American reaction to the attacks.
And I know that now you'll think I've been "twisting" your words, but I don't know how you can say that. I simply stated your words and tried to get you to think about the meaning and ramifications of those words.
Pub Crawler, I did get very emotional with you. The terms "blind man" and "insensitive" were meant to convey my frustration with you. I can't honestly say I'm sorry, because I really feel that in this situation, those terms accurately describe you. And yes, I have been known to apologize - ask bonoman, Sicilian Goddess, I think maybe Melon, and a couple of others.


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Old 09-15-2001, 01:53 PM   #30
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Nevermind...probably not worth it.

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